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you should start the thread JGPS I'll make sure to read itThanks for sharing your story Homewardbound. it might not directly bear to the topic on hand but I personally come for the fellowship found in the forums and think its fine if we speak of our lives and give testimony to how God has worked in our lives occasionally. it makes the conversation more human and personal.
God bless and keep you all.
PS. tintin orange juice?
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I am assuming that this person is not practicing these things, has heartfelt repentance and prayed to God for forgiveness.
We have all done or said things that God has forgiven us for. We are commanded to preach and teach others. Matthew 28:19, 20 (The great commission).
If God forgives them, we also must forgive. This can be hard if the person has done it to us or one of ours or something we view as extremely vile and disgusting.
God still has requirements.
It the person still has the weakness toward children, of course you would not want to place them in a position that would temp them to return to the former course.
The admonition given here at 1 Timothy can apply to anyone in a teaching position that presides over others.
1 Timothy 3:1-10 says:
1. Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspirers to be an overseer desires a Nobel task.
2. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wire, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
4. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner of full respect.
5. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)
6. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.
7. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.
8. In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.
9. They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience.
10. They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.If individuals do not qualify, there are many things they can do that will not directly involve them with the young.
We have all done or said things that God has forgiven us for. We are commanded to preach and teach others. Matthew 28:19, 20 (The great commission).
If God forgives them, we also must forgive. This can be hard if the person has done it to us or one of ours or something we view as extremely vile and disgusting.
God still has requirements.
It the person still has the weakness toward children, of course you would not want to place them in a position that would temp them to return to the former course.
The admonition given here at 1 Timothy can apply to anyone in a teaching position that presides over others.
1 Timothy 3:1-10 says:
1. Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspirers to be an overseer desires a Nobel task.
2. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wire, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
4. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner of full respect.
5. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)
6. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.
7. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.
8. In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.
9. They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience.
10. They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.If individuals do not qualify, there are many things they can do that will not directly involve them with the young.
Yes I understand and agree but be careful what if God said to see the past sins as past forgiven and by love give this man a chance for if God told you this through The Holy Ghost would you do as said and if you do not it is okay for God will find someone else to expound the grace as he did in Saul who became Paul for Peter was just too Fickle one day in the spirit then out of the next, not excercising truth as truth is and as most of us do, but eventually he did come to the full gospoel and he wrote about it. For me i would have to ask Father through Christ and hear the answer through the Holy Ghost my comfortetr in all things of what to do and I hear do as showing you know me and he (this other person) will know me too, leaving and forsaking all sin behind seeing how stupid it is to hurt or harm anyone. this is the new life that he came to give you me and all that believe. And I tell you the truth for they all shall know me (GOD speaking) from the least to the greatest as you all in this world make judgements yet thier is noone better than the other in God's sight for we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but God took all that away in and through is Son for you, you, and you awaitng for you, you and you to get past the forgiveness issue that you are forgiven and in need of life just like a child molester is in need of a new life and this is done not in the forgiveness but in the resurrection total understanding of forgiveness needed first. So bring this man into the resurrrection if you are already resurrected but I find a lot of us are not, Because a lot have listened to the lie that we are not in a reddemed body of flesh and this is true but if you believe by the operation of God your asking him to do this make your body (flesh) dead in you God will do this for you and you will not serve the flesh anylonger here and now. We need to go in depth to what Christ came to do which was to bring life but before this could be done he had to take away the sin of the world so that an everlasting life could be installed in you here and now after recieving the fact that through Christ you are forgiven reconciled by God the Father of Christ and thus be saved by the resurrection you being raised from the dead just as Christ by Father has been done. This is the mystery of the Gospelk brought to you and then the wrongs will start disappearing as we become alive to God through the death of ourselves in our carnal minds becoming dead as Paul tried to give us the meat of the word but maybe we just are not ready yet we still need milk and not strong meat to discern what God wants of you and me to do with any man that shows repentace or not. It is the Love that changes people not the you can't do this or that not the conviction of sin continual which is what keeps one in thier sins. The conviction that I can't do it, the conviction of one needs Christ and then get thier conscience cleared of sin taken away so they can get busy serving in love so busy that the old life has passed away but this world is so busy remindinig people of thier sins how can ones conscience be cleared of it?
HMMM!! Hopefully you all rcieve the truth if not already have thanks for listening
Homwardbound
HMMM!! Hopefully you all rcieve the truth if not already have thanks for listening
Homwardbound
Yes as you said in Love so the differance is what does God say through the Holy Ghost to you in what to do and what the world says, has your mind gotten or is it being renewed from God's vantage point I speak. So waht if God through the Holy Ghost said put him in place? owuld youthen do as asked by God to do this do not allthings work for the good for those that are called
you should start the thread JGPS I'll make sure to read itThanks for sharing your story Homewardbound. it might not directly bear to the topic on hand but I personally come for the fellowship found in the forums and think its fine if we speak of our lives and give testimony to how God has worked in our lives occasionally. it makes the conversation more human and personal.
God bless and keep you all.
PS. tintin orange juice?
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Well this discounts the majority of professed believers, for all have become great actors as if they are righteous and do no evil are good to thier spouses and kids, but I (God) know what goes on behind closed doors hiding your sins puttin on your masks as you walk out the door as if you are somebody please I beg of you I love you confess your sins and be healed from them, you know who you are and i know who I was and have been redeemed and healed, the carnality miond has been put into the grave by Go9d the Father through trust in him, yet I do noit know what tommorrow will bring but there is enough carnality around me today so I willk therefore understand waht is meant by taking all thoughts captive to the obedience oif Christ.
Will you make known who you are behind closed doors. For that is who one truly is. you know I can do all things well look good in front of others help others out in the open do all the mysteries and fool all the people, no matter what it is that I or anyonme does in the open is not the real you. So ,let us talk about the real you, what is ti that you do when you are all alone? Yes that is the real you and maybe it might be a mix of sin and no sin of some sort ususally I bet it is lust of the flesh and anger to our significant others when no one else is watching and therefore we have the right to ex-comm unicate a child molester. I remember Paul saying to do this about the Son wanting his Dad's wife in the 1 cor but in the 2 cor. he said restore this one forPaul understand it is God's love that teaches a man to say no to unrighteousness changing us from a worldly sorrow to a Godly one, Even in Romans 1 and 2 it talks of you , me who are under the law you say donot do this or that and then as you read you, me are convicted for we either did or do the same as we udge we are judgedso judge nothing before the time
And sorry if anyone thinks I am off the subject this had to be said
Will you make known who you are behind closed doors. For that is who one truly is. you know I can do all things well look good in front of others help others out in the open do all the mysteries and fool all the people, no matter what it is that I or anyonme does in the open is not the real you. So ,let us talk about the real you, what is ti that you do when you are all alone? Yes that is the real you and maybe it might be a mix of sin and no sin of some sort ususally I bet it is lust of the flesh and anger to our significant others when no one else is watching and therefore we have the right to ex-comm unicate a child molester. I remember Paul saying to do this about the Son wanting his Dad's wife in the 1 cor but in the 2 cor. he said restore this one forPaul understand it is God's love that teaches a man to say no to unrighteousness changing us from a worldly sorrow to a Godly one, Even in Romans 1 and 2 it talks of you , me who are under the law you say donot do this or that and then as you read you, me are convicted for we either did or do the same as we udge we are judgedso judge nothing before the time
And sorry if anyone thinks I am off the subject this had to be said
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In the UK anyone working with children is required to have a criminal records check by law. Many such people will also be on the sex offenders register and will therefore be forbidden by law from working with children, so it is more clear cut on this matter.
While I personally know people who have criminal records and who are now following Christ whole heartedly with amazing testimonies. I think that it is wise not to put tempting situations before people where they have previously had problems.
i.e. not put a child sex offender working with children, not put a bank robber in charge of fort knox.
There is also the repute of the church to consider - we need to be shrewd and wise on such matters.
Besides if a person had truly repented, why would they insist on working with children, would they not understand the
reasons for chosing another area of ministry. I would be interested to know if this was a real life question or a theoretical question.
While I personally know people who have criminal records and who are now following Christ whole heartedly with amazing testimonies. I think that it is wise not to put tempting situations before people where they have previously had problems.
i.e. not put a child sex offender working with children, not put a bank robber in charge of fort knox.
There is also the repute of the church to consider - we need to be shrewd and wise on such matters.
Besides if a person had truly repented, why would they insist on working with children, would they not understand the
reasons for chosing another area of ministry. I would be interested to know if this was a real life question or a theoretical question.
Apparently neither do I and really I am not, just trying to show God's love for us all in what he has done and it is the sick that need a Doctor, and if Christ is in usthen this will show to all as my wife has said I would walk up to the devil himself and preach to him to excercise belief in christ. I have found a lotof us including mehave professed believe without excercising it for the demons believe but they donot excecise it as in puttin thoer trust in but can act it out very well that they might be able to fool the very elect.
Great caution should be used. Nothing against my earthly father, who was a minister, but my dad let a man take charge of our youth group in which I attended (I'm sure this man wasn't truthful with my Dad up front, but perhaps my dad should have had more oversight). There where several occasions where my friend and I, got high (marijuana)with this man, who's last name happened to be Stone.