The Trinity

[JLHillsSr]

Originally Posted by mark54

The above is a terrible answer

When Paul stated
Yet for us there is one God, the Father

Christ had returned to Heaven

Originally Posted by PS

If I am understanding you correctly the true God is Jesus.

You understand exasctly what I mean PS, but you have no answer to give

It is clear, Mark, that he did not look up the verse.

1Cr 8:6 KJV - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

Looks to me that there are two entities here.

 

[PS]

Jesus is the God of the one true Omnipotent God. OK

So who is the one true Omnipotent God?

Seeing as there is only one God I have to say Jesus.

 

[mark54]

It is clear, Mark, that he did not look up the verse.

1Cr 8:6 KJV - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

Looks to me that there are two entities here.

It is plainly written JL

We have but one God, the Father, no need to do theological extrapolation of it

 

[mark54]

Seeing as there is only one God I have to say Jesus.

So Jesus is the God of Himself, and he refers to himself as 'My God' OK Thanks

The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21

 

[JLHillsSr]

Seeing as there is only one God I have to say Jesus.

Jhn 20:17 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Jesus is going to ascend to himself? Neat trick.

 

[Stephen63]

So who is the God of the one true Omnipotent God?
If your belief is correct, who is this God?

ELOHIM (plural)

 

[mark54]

ELOHIM (plural)

But Paul and Christ tell us there is only one God/true God, the Father, are you a oneness Pentecostal?

BTW
Does that mean to you, the God of the one true omnipotent God is 'Gods'?

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your're stuck too...

Where is it said that Jesus is God???

Here...

Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

prosdechomenoitēnmakarianelpidakaiepiphaneiantēsdoxēstoumegaloutheoukaisōtēroshēmōnchristouiēsou

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Look at Acts 7
Act 7:55 KJV - But he, being full of the Holy Ghost (1), looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God (2), and Jesus (3) standing on the right hand of God (4),

Jesus is the Glory.

Jesus is there separate from Jehovah and The Father.

The Son is not the Father.

Do you even know what the Trinity is?

Is this not HOW?
While we pray within our selves we are with Jehovah who tells us HOW.

You only showed LOCATION..

The Lord's prayer below that shows UTTERANCE...

 

[PS]

So Jesus is the God of Himself, and he refers to himself as 'My God' OK Thanks

The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21

The creator of life would have no difficulty creating life in Mary's womb. Nine months later the creator walked the earth in human form. We see it all the time in nature and we call it a metamorphosis or sometimes transfiguration.

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father.

 

[JLHillsSr]

It is plainly written JL

We have but one God, the Father, no need to do theological extrapolation of it

Jhn 16:25 KJV - These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Jhn 16:26 KJV - At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Jhn 16:27 KJV - For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Jhn 16:28 KJV - I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Jhn 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[PS]

Jhn 20:17 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Jesus is going to ascend to himself? Neat trick.

Yes. He is God, please don't limit him. #1749.

 

[mark54]

Jhn 16:25 KJV - These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Jhn 16:26 KJV - At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Jhn 16:27 KJV - For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Jhn 16:28 KJV - I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Jhn 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do we take it then, that Paul did not have any understanding of this subject?

Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP][c][/SUP] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

1Cor15:24-28

 

[Stephen63]

But Paul and Christ tell us there is only one God/true God, the Father, are you a oneness Pentecostal?

BTW
Does that mean to you, the God of the one true omnipotent God is 'Gods'?

[SUP]From ISBE "God" [FONT=Gentium !important]ʾĚlōhīm[/FONT]:
The first form of the Divine name in the Bible is ‏אֱלֹהִים‎, ʾĚlōhīm, ordinarily translated "God" (Genesis 1:1). This is the most frequently used name in the Old Testament, as its equivalent θεός, theós, is in the New Testament, occurring in Genesis alone approximately 200 t. It is one of a group of kindred words, to which belong also ʾĒl and ʾĚlōah. (1) Its form is plural, but the construction is uniformly singular, i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective, unless used of heathen divinities (Psalm 96:5; Psalm 97:7). It is characteristic of Hebrew that extension, magnitude and dignity, as well as actual multiplicity, are expressed by the plural. It is not reasonable, therefore, to assume that plurality of form indicates primitive Semitic polytheism. On the contrary, historic Hebrew is unquestionably and uniformly monotheistic.[/SUP]

 

[mark54]

Jhn 16:25 KJV - These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Jhn 16:26 KJV - At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Jhn 16:27 KJV - For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Jhn 16:28 KJV - I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Jhn 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Incidentally, nothing you have written changes the plain words of Christ, John, or Paul, nor contradicts them

 

[mark54]

[SUP]From ISBE "God" [FONT=Gentium !important]ʾĚlōhīm[/FONT]:
The first form of the Divine name in the Bible is ‏אֱלֹהִים‎, ʾĚlōhīm, ordinarily translated "God" (Genesis 1:1). This is the most frequently used name in the Old Testament, as its equivalent θεός, theós, is in the New Testament, occurring in Genesis alone approximately 200 t. It is one of a group of kindred words, to which belong also ʾĒl and ʾĚlōah. (1) Its form is plural, but the construction is uniformly singular, i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective, unless used of heathen divinities (Psalm 96:5; Psalm 97:7). It is characteristic of Hebrew that extension, magnitude and dignity, as well as actual multiplicity, are expressed by the plural. It is not reasonable, therefore, to assume that plurality of form indicates primitive Semitic polytheism. On the contrary, historic Hebrew is unquestionably and uniformly monotheistic.[/SUP]

No one has seen God at anytime 1John4:12

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1Cor8:6

Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life BTW): that they may know you,(THE fATHER) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [SUP]4
jOHN17:3
[/SUP]

 

[Blain]

I have seen this thread become very popular very fast, I want to explain about the trinity and hopefully all the arguments i have seen on here will stop. The trinity is indeed god the father, Jesus the son, and the holy spirit. Jesus is also known as the word in genisis. Now Jesus prayed to god god in both public and secret to set an example to follow, not just because we cannot understand how the god head three in one is the one true god that does not mean it is not true. It is by faith that we know this not our own understanding. So you see, arguing about it is pointless and a waste of time because his thoughts are not our thoughts.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Re: Your're stuck too...

Here...

Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

prosdechomenoitēnmakarianelpidakaiepiphaneiantēsdoxēstoumegaloutheoukaisōtēroshēmōnchristouiēsou

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,






Jesus is the Glory.






The Son is not the Father.

Do you even know what the Trinity is?

Tts 2:13 KJV - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God (the Father) and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (Jehovah in the Body)

Toward recieving the happy expectation and on-appearance of-the esteem of the great God and Savior of us Jesus anointed

As for the trinity:

The Father
The only begotten Son, Jehovah
The Holy Spirit

 

[mark54]

I have seen this thread become very popular very fast, I want to explain about the trinity and hopefully all the arguments i have seen on here will stop. The trinity is indeed god the father, Jesus the son, and the holy spirit. Jesus is also known as the word in genisis. Now Jesus prayed to god god in both public and secret to set an example to follow, not just because we cannot understand how the god head three in one is the one true god that does not mean it is not true. It is by faith that we know this not our own understanding. So you see, arguing about it is pointless and a waste of time because his thoughts are not our thoughts.

For what my opinion is worth Blain, you are a true Chrisritian with your heart in the right place, and that matters far more to God than most things that are discussed on these kind of websites
God Bless,

 

[mark54]

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father.

Really..........

 

[JLHillsSr]

Yes. He is God, please don't limit him. #1749.

I do not limit him. He is the greatest MAN to ever live. I do not, however give him glory that belongs to another.
It was Jehovah who took him from the womb and was cast upon him. (Psalm 22)