Revelation's 42 Months and 1260 Days

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zone

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And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree (Israel), and all the trees(the other Middle Eastern nations); When they now shoot forth (leaves not fruit, i.e., after the new nation of Israel is established in 1948), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation (of the Jews who freed the holy land from Gentile control) shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
apparently we just make the passage mean anything we want to by inserting things into the text.

how about this version?
i could make it about Washington DC or The Vatican if i wanted to.
apparently people would accept it.

And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree (which is a fig tree), and all the trees(just like all the trees which shoot forth leaves); When they now shoot forth (leaves, not fruit, meaning watch out for the events leading up to 70AD), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass (the events He has just laid out for them to know the desolation of Jerusalem was coming in 70AD), know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation (the very ones He walked and talked with) shall not pass away, till (the things He had just described about them - not MUSLIMS ELLIS) all be fulfilled.
why do you hate the Muslims so much that you rewrite the Bible to be about them when they are never mentioned?
who helped you with this?
 

zone

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Through the events mentioned above (ellis' private interpretation) , the Lord has opened not only His prophetic books, but also the whole Bible in a new way. In fact, we now have the greatest opening of God's Word since the New Testament was written.

In fact, we now have the greatest opening of God's Word since the New Testament was written.
In fact, we now have the greatest opening of God's Word since the New Testament was written.
In fact, we now have the greatest opening of God's Word since the New Testament was written.


 

zone

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That's a masterpiece of understatement, LOL
it's nothing to do with you personally ellis.
it's what you've done to My Father's Word i don't like.
will i not say something?
 
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cfultz3

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It seems that people do not like you Mr. Thorapon.
 

zone

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It seems that people do not like you Mr. Thorapon.
who doesn't like him?
no one knows him personally. do you?
what's it got to do with him personally?

it's nothing to do with you personally ellis.
it's what you've done to My Father's Word i don't like.
will i not say something?
 
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Therapon

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I wouldn't doubt that Christ's second coming will be in my lifetime.

Am I gonna bet the farm on that? Of course not. No man knows the hour, not even the angels, but God does.
But we can know the season, brother. Jesus corrected the Pharisees for not knowing "the day of their visitation," and the same is true for us. Point being: all Bible prophecy that needed to be fulfilled before the return of the Lord has already been fulfilled. That is a provable statement, but it threatens the cherished traditions of some on this forum, which leads to the conflicts you sometimes see here.
 
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Therapon

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it's nothing to do with you personally ellis. it's what you've done to My Father's Word i don't like. will i not say something?
Some time ago, you stated I was not your brother, I didn't want tp believe it, but now accept that I do indeed conflict with your father's words. It is ungodly to try to destroy the threads of others, by misrepresenting, even lying about what others teach. If your father is leading you to do that, then who is he?
 
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Good Then you don’t mind Muslims calling on Allah
The muslim false god allah is not the God of the bible. The true God of the bible has a Son, Christ who was crucified and resurrected for our sins. The false muslim god has no son. They are not the same entitity but instead two different entities. Go ahead continue to twist and misrepresent Therapon’s view it certainly shows the tactics you will resort to in order to defend your doctrine. Wouldn’t one be better served to seek the truth, rather then resort to misrepresenting (I.E. Lying) about what others say to defend your view?

take note
ellis predicting the Second Advent again .and we who are alive right now will see it.
Therapon has been saying for approximately thirty five years that we are in the season and the Lord will return before the generation that saw Jerusalem returned to Israel’s control ceases to exist, which could be any moment or many years, no one knows the date, nor has Therapon ever set a date. Does that mean everyone that saw Jerusalem come under Israel’s control will see it? Of course not. Not all of those people will live to a ripe old age, many will die young in life, but that does not mean that whole generation will cease to exist before thee Lord’s return. Will I see the Lord’s return? I don’t know, granted I did see Jerusalem come under Israel’s control in 67. Many of us that were alive can vividly remember the news casts on our TV’s during the 6 day war of 67. But that doesn’t mean I might not die before that generation ceases to exist and the Lord returns. I’ve lived a hard rough life that has taken it’s toll and I would be surprised if this old body will last many more years, but it is still highly possible that I could see the Lord’s return, after all it could happen any day now or yet be years away, but there will be some that saw these things occur that will see the Lord’s return.

ellis, is this reckoned by your math and may we see it please?
Sure you can see the view he espouses, he has posted links to his website where anybody can read all 400+ pages explaining his view in detail. Considering that you already know this is readily available for all to see, why do you feel the need to continue stalking and badgering him? Is it because you prefer to follow your Scripturally bankrupt doctrine that makes you a burdensome stone upon Israel while at the same time making the word of God of none effect? (see Mark7:13)

making that bold statement requires some backing.
Yes it does, and Therapon provides plenty of rock solid Scriptural and historical support. Sadly you are to busy condemning the very people we are grafted in amongst (instead of replacing as many insist) to open your eyes and honestly evaluate what he is saying. Instead you resort to outright misrepresentations (I.E. lies) in an effort to bully Therapon into silence.

ellis is teaching false doctrine
what is there to like about that?
There would be nothing to like about it, if your statement was true. If it is true, then prove it. Resorting to misrepresentations (I.E. lies) about what he is saying and then proving your misrepresentations (I.E. LIES) is not proving him wrong. It only demonstrates you prefer standing by your false doctrine and will resort to misrepresenting (read lying) to discredit and bully those you disagree with into silence.

he’s predicted the Second Advent already…. That date came and went.
Really, perhaps you could show us where Therapon set a date for the Lord’s return. Of course you can’t because he never set a date. Would you care to retract this misrepresentation (I.E. lie) you are promoting or would you prefer to leave it for the whole world to see?

ask him about it. Or listen to him. Whichever you prefer.
I have listened to him, and I have asked him, not once has he set a date. Saying that the generation that saw all these things (Israel becoming a nation and Jerusalem coming under Israel’s control) come to pass is not setting a date.

If you actually read what he wrote here, he said in this generation. People living now will be alive at the Second Advent
Therapon does say that the generation that saw Jerusalem come under Israel’s control will not cease to exist before the Lord’s reurn. Has that generation ceased to exist? If the Lord does not return before the generation ceases to exist this then you have a right to condemn him, but that won’t happen because Scripture does not lie and the Lord will return before that generation ceases to exist. There may be many people from that generation or there may be only one. But even if it is only one that generation has not passed.

that put a date on it.
No it didn’t, and for you to claim it does is nothing more then you promoting an outright lie. Since when has a generation been a date? It isn’t!

he has precision mathematics working out everything else.
Precision mathematics? Since when has 4[SUP]th[/SUP] or 5[SUP]th[/SUP] grade mathematics been called precision.
1948 – 1260 = 688 is that precision mathematics? 42 x 30.44 = 1278.48 is that precision mathematics? 1967 – 1278.5 = 688.5 is that precision mathematics? It’s not rocket science, but instead simple arithmetic. These are problems so simple many second graders’ can do it. Are you trying to tell us that you are so intellectually challenged you believe basic arithmetic is precision math and above your intellectual capabilities? Or could this be another case of Zone resorting to any tactic available to bully those she disagrees with into silence?

just ask him about the date.
I have and as usual he did not provide a date, but instead says that the Lord can return at anytime from this moment on into the future, surely before the generation that saw Israel become a nation and Jerusalem coming under Israel’s control. No date there, nor is there anything in that statement that contradicts Scripture.

if he doesn’t give it to you, I can give his last prediction.
If you could, you would. I am anxiously awaiting for you to provide proof that he set an actual date. When you can’t will you admit you lied? I doubt!

I doubt you care though.
Oh I care, I find it very sad that you would resort to misrepresenting or falsifying (I.E. LYING) about what some one else says just because you prefer to stand by a traditionally taught doctrine, that makes you a burdensome stone upon Israel. And for that reason I will continue to keep you in my prayers!

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

why do you hate muslims
Therapon does not hate muslims. While it is true that those who hold this view do hate islam (which is a false religion started by THE false prophet) we do not hate muslims. Instead one who recognizes the truth of Therapon’s view should love the muslim’s. And as a result many of those people have spent much time witnessing to them.

it’s nothing to do with you personally ellis.
It’s what you have done to My Father’s Word I don’t like, will Ii not say something?
And who is your father? Who would want you to resort to misrepresenting (I.E. Lying) about what other’s say? Who would want you to resort to the hateful tactics you use to bully others into silence those you disagree with?
 

zone

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Some time ago, you stated I was not your brother, I didn't want tp believe it, but now accept that I do indeed conflict with your father's words. It is ungodly to try to destroy the threads of others, by misrepresenting, even lying about what others teach. If your father is leading you to do that, then who is he?
you prove i'm lying about what you teach.
you claiming your secret interpretation is true means nothing.
 
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Therapon

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you prove i'm lying about what you teach.
you claiming your secret interpretation is true means nothing.
Don't need to prove it, doulos already did, in detail.
 

zone

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The muslim false god allah is not the God of the bible. The true God of the bible has a Son, Christ who was crucified and resurrected for our sins. The false muslim god has no son. They are not the same entitity but instead two different entities. Go ahead continue to twist and misrepresent Therapon’s view it certainly shows the tactics you will resort to in order to defend your doctrine. Wouldn’t one be better served to seek the truth, rather then resort to misrepresenting (I.E. Lying) about what others say to defend your view?
jews don't believe God has a Son who died for their sins.
stick to the subject.

be careful about you claiming i'm lying.
i haven't posted what i know on this matter yet.

i don't know why i need to.
anyone who really wants to know can find out.
but i will, when enough has been posted on it.

let's just get everything you and he believe and teach out on the table first.
permanently.

Therapon has been saying for approximately thirty five years that we are in the season and the Lord will return before the generation that saw Jerusalem returned to Israel’s control ceases to exist, which could be any moment or many years, no one knows the date, nor has Therapon ever set a date.

1948....65 years give or take.
but he can move his dates around all he likes.
make it 1967.
of course thats what you do - take Western armaments and Israeli subversion in 67 shown on TV to mean Jesus is wiping out Arabs and this is One of Two Witnesses. or His Two Witnesses working together TO DO WHAT...huh.

to do what exactly...oh ya. kill people over Land. that is most certainly the Message.

in any case...
you got yourself a date - choose the longest living person ever - 115 years old - pick a number.
you got yourself a date.

every cult leader in the world uses this trick.
we're "in the season"

as for his never setting a date, we'll see about that.
the internet is forever, didn't you know?
disciples of Therapon's have posted his conversations.


Does that mean everyone that saw Jerusalem come under Israel’s control will see it? Of course not. Not all of those people will live to a ripe old age, many will die young in life, but that does not mean that whole generation will cease to exist before thee Lord’s return. Will I see the Lord’s return? I don’t know, granted I did see Jerusalem come under Israel’s control in 67. Many of us that were alive can vividly remember the news casts on our TV’s during the 6 day war of 67. But that doesn’t mean I might not die before that generation ceases to exist and the Lord returns. I’ve lived a hard rough life that has taken it’s toll and I would be surprised if this old body will last many more years, but it is still highly possible that I could see the Lord’s return, after all it could happen any day now or yet be years away,
but there will be some that saw these things occur that will see the Lord’s return.
there you go setting dates again.
because ellis said so?
because ellis reverse-engineered some hokey math to make Daniel's 70th week a magic one?

to make the D.O.R. the A.O.D.?

purleeze.

Sure you can see the view he espouses, he has posted links to his website where anybody can read all 400+ pages explaining his view in detail. Considering that you already know this is readily available for all to see, why do you feel the need to continue stalking and badgering him? Is it because you prefer to follow your Scripturally bankrupt doctrine that makes you a burdensome stone upon Israel while at the same time making the word of God of none effect? (see Mark7:13)
just no fear of God in you guys at all.

Acts 4 c. 30AD
5On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, 6with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family. 7And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?” 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, 9if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, 10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.b 12And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

you wanna play with dates.
take a look at that date....30AD.
not some bogus magic 70th week date in our future ellis cooked up.


that Jesus. not some other jesus. some other whatever. not some killing machine that is supposed to witness to God knows what.

Acts 4
13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. 14But seeing the man who was healed standing beside them, they had nothing to say in opposition. 15But when they had commanded them to leave the council, they conferred with one another, 16saying, “What shall we do with these men? For that a notable sign has been performed through them is evident to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it. 17But in order that it may spread no further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to anyone in this name.” 18So they called them and charged them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19But Peter and John answered them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge, 20for we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard.” 21And when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding no way to punish them, because of the people, for all were praising God for what had happened

but oh no....Peter and John were not ashamed of the Gospel and of the name of Jesus.

And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name - Jesus - under heaven given among men by which we must be saved


Yes it does, and Therapon provides plenty of rock solid Scriptural and historical support. Sadly you are to busy condemning the very people we are grafted in amongst (instead of replacing as many insist) to open your eyes and honestly evaluate what he is saying. Instead you resort to outright misrepresentations (I.E. lies) in an effort to bully Therapon into silence.
i dont want him to be silent.
i want him to get it all right out in front here.
all of it. help him if you want to.


“Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge, 20for we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard.”
 
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Universal_Man

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What is going on here? Please do not try guys to show who knows this and who knows that. And i just can say do not bring you together to sin IN MIND at home when you write and when you read things here! Jesus payed with his blood for everyone and we are 1. If anyone brings another to sin just think what JESUS said. In Love. bye
 

zone

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Therapon does not hate muslims. While it is true that those who hold this view do hate islam (which is a false religion started by THE false prophet) we do not hate muslims. Instead one who recognizes the truth of Therapon’s view should love the muslim’s. And as a result many of those people have spent much time witnessing to them.
the truth of his view?
that unbelieving jews are saved through some cry to some other messiah?

what a wretched and miserable and disgraceful form of antisemitism.

And who is your father? Who would want you to resort to misrepresenting (I.E. Lying) about what other’s say? Who would want you to resort to the hateful tactics you use to bully others into silence those you disagree with?
ellis' new doctrine, new soteriology is nothing new at all. just a fanciful twist on a sickening heresy.

and its the most hate filled robbery (of salvation from unbelieving jews and others) ive ever seen injected into Christianity
and guess where it comes from....

Christian Zionism: The new heresy that sways America


The Political Agenda of Christian Zionism

By Stephen Sizer

08/24/04 Christian Zionism is a theology that supports a political regime based on apartheid and discrimination - yet millions of people in the US express their support for it. How dangerous is it given the US role in the Middle East?*

1. Introduction

“Only one nation, Israel, stands between ... terrorist aggression and the complete decline of the United States as a democratic world power... If Israel falls, the United States can no longer remain a democracy. ...Arab money is being used to control and influence major U.S. Corporations, making it economically more and more difficult for the United States to stand against world terrorism.”[1]*

While many would not necessarily go as far as Mike Evans, it is nevertheless assumed by a large proportion of Christians in Britain and America that it is their biblical responsibility to support the State of Israel and that God’s blessing on them is conditional on their blessing Israel. *Dale Crowley, a Washington based religious broadcaster, describes this movement as the ‘fastest growing cult in America’:*

The rise of contemporary Christian Zionism can be traced to the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 which came to be seen as the most significant fulfilment of biblical prophecy,[9] indeed for many, ‘the greatest piece of prophetic news that we have had in the 20th Century.’[10] Following the Six Day War of 1967, Billy Graham’s father-in-law Nelson Bell, then editor of Christianity Today, expressed the sentiments of many American evangelicals when, in an editorial for the magazine he wrote, ‘for the first time in more than 2,000 years Jerusalem is now completely in the hands of the Jews gives a student of the Bible a thrill and a renewed faith in the accuracy and validity of the Bible.’[11]
 
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What is going on here? Please do not try guys to show who knows this and who knows that. And i just can say do not bring you together to sin IN MIND at home when you write and when you read things here! Jesus payed with his blood for everyone and we are 1. If anyone brings another to sin just think what JESUS said. In Love. bye
I know, brother, and it breaks my heart to see my threads destroyed by deliberate dissension that is obviously not of the Lord. I get private messages often from people who say they would like to post because they agree with what I write, but were afraid of being eaten alive by Zone. That's the devil's way of course, to silence the voices of those who disagree with his doctrine.
 
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zone

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I know, brother, and it breaks my heart to see my threads destroyed by deliberate dissension that is obviously not of the Lord. I get private messages often from people who say they would like to post because they agree with what I write, but were afraid of being eaten alive by Zone. That's the devil's way of course, to silence the voices with those who disagree with his doctrine.
okay ellis.
now that you have attributed The Work of Jesus Christ of Nazareth on the Cross FOR ISRAEL, and the salvation of ALL people, whomsoever will...jew and greek (jew first) by the Gospel ALONE to Satan...

i'll leave your threads.
whoever wants what you are selling can have it.
done.
 
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cfultz3

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Good. Can we now continue with studying?