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Eccl12and13

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According to the word of God there are a few things we all are commanded to do concerning our study of the bible and worshiping Him. Let's read how we are to study and worship God according to His word.....then we will ask a few questions;


John 4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


2 John 1
[4] I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

1 Thes.5
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2 Tim.4
[5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.


Now these are not options. God did not tell us to only prove some of our doctrine, or to make partial proof of our ministry, or that we could serve Him in partial truths!

Everything we do concerning our study of the word and the worship of God should be done in truth and with proof.

With that said...let's ask the following questions;


How is it possible that the death and resurrection of Christ ALWAYS fall on a Friday and Sunday year after year?

And why did it take over 300 years to create the calculation and establish this date for observation?


Even though there is no way of knowing the exact birth of Christ....at least His birth is consistently celebrated in the same month and on the same date; Dec., 25th!

But when it comes to the death and resurrection of Jesus, the dates can very by as much as a month apart; anywhere from March 22nd to April 25th.


Is this worshiping God in truth?
Is this proving ALL things?
Is this making FULL proof of thy ministry?


With that said....it is IMPOSSIBLE that the death and resurrection of Jesus can each and every year fall on a Friday and Sunday respectively.

If you are going to worship the true and living God why not at least search for the correct date of His death. He gave us all that we need to know to find this date in His word....all one must do is read and search.

If you are going to worship the true and living God why not do as He commanded;


John 4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


1 Thes.5
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2 Tim.4
[5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.




One more question.....

"Is observing the death and resurrection of Christ each and every year on a Friday and Sunday worshiping the Lord in truth.....according to the word of God?"


Sadly....no it is not!



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1still_waters

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Well technically those chapter and verse numbers weren't included IN THE WORD OF GOD, yet you're making use of them in order to draw people to God's standard and truth.
 
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1still_waters

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You're using the Bible to help you learn how to worship God in Spirit and truth.
That Bible has man made additions to it called chapter and verse markers.
You seem quite fine with those man made additions.
 

Blain

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I worship god everyday, i do not wait until sunday or friday. But concerning yourslef with things called doctrines is useless. Did abraham concern himself with doctrines? NO, did david concern himself with doctrine? NO Why is that? Well for one there was no such things as doctrine to them, they knew who god was and they sought after his heart and humbled themselves daily. Thats why i always tell people seek gods heart first, then you will see doctrine or the correct way to do things matters not to god. These people who worship in spirit and truth are people who daily seek his heart, who daily humble themselves before him, who daily seek to be a mirror image of Jesus, who daily put god first and themselves last.
 

Angela53510

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Also, when you pull out one Scripture, sometimes you lose the context of the verse.

As for Easter, it has something to do with the moon, or lunar calendar which is what the Jews used. Personally, I do not think Jesus was born on Dec. 25. But both Easter and Christmas are wonderful occasions to witness to the saving power of God, who was the incarnation of God, and died for our sins.

Getting hung up on a few dates is blatant legalism. We do lots of good things that are not in the Bible, that doesn't make them wrong.

My only problems with Easter, is that it is not as big an occasion as Christmas. Remembering Jesus death and resurrection should be the biggest occasion of the year. And really, we should remember it every day of the year. But at least the western world still recognizes these important occasions. That is something we should celebrate before the time comes when we lose it.
 
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Eccl12and13

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You're using the Bible to help you learn how to worship God in Spirit and truth.
That Bible has man made additions to it called chapter and verse markers.
You seem quite fine with those man made additions.

Does the addition of 'chapter and verse markers' make the words any less valid?


Now concerning the following questions;


"How is it possible that the death and resurrection of Christ ALWAYS fall on a Friday and Sunday year after year?"

"And why did it take over 300 years to create the calculation and establish this date for observation?"

"Is observing the death and resurrection of Christ each and every year on a Friday and Sunday worshiping the Lord in truth.....according to the word of God?"


Any views or comments?





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Eccl12and13

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Remembering Jesus death and resurrection should be the biggest occasion of the year. And really, we should remember it every day of the year. But at least the western world still recognizes these important occasions. That is something we should celebrate before the time comes when we lose it.

Actually....God commands that Jesus death to be celebrated as a memorial forever. It is to be observed on the 14th day of God's first month;


Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

It is to be kept forever!



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Eccl12and13

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But concerning yourslef with things called doctrines is useless. Did abraham concern himself with doctrines? NO, did david concern himself with doctrine? NO Why is that? Well for one there was no such things as doctrine to them......
Deut.32
[2] My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Job 11
[4] For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure, and I am clean in thine eyes.

Prov.4
[2] For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.



It would seem that God's doctrine has been around since Adam's day for God's LAWS are doctrine!

But we digress.....


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Blain

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I never said there was no doctrine, only that instead of worrying about doctrine they chose to seek god's love and favor. Just as Today there were many types of beliefs and teachings of god and his way, but these great men were smart enough to find for themselves whose doctrine was right by putting the thought of doctrine aside and seek to know god on a personal level. The only thing i know is that to truly have faith a loving childlike relationship with the father is very important. This is what he taught me, everything i know, believe an teach i learned by spending time with him. No one has been able to teach me but god himself. And so far it has worked perfectly, that is the only Doctrine i know that has proven to make us very close to god.
 
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Eccl12and13

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This is what he taught me, everything i know, believe an teach i learned by spending time with him. No one has been able to teach me but god himself.


And the only place you could have received this knowledge is from His word...the scriptures.

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All of our doctrine is to come from the word of God. And we are to use the word of God for correction.

And His word tells us the following;

John 4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 John 1
[4] I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

1 Thes.5
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2 Tim.4
[5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.




Now concerning the following questions;


"How is it possible that the death and resurrection of Christ ALWAYS fall on a Friday and Sunday year after year?"

"And why did it take over 300 years to create the calculation and establish this date for observation?"

"Is observing the death and resurrection of Christ each and every year on a Friday and Sunday worshiping the Lord in truth.....according to the word of God?"


Any views or comments?




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Blain

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And the only place you could have received this knowledge is from His word...the scriptures.

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All of our doctrine is to come from the word of God. And we are to use the word of God for correction.

And His word tells us the following;

John 4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 John 1
[4] I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

1 Thes.5
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2 Tim.4
[5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.




Now concerning the following questions;


"How is it possible that the death and resurrection of Christ ALWAYS fall on a Friday and Sunday year after year?"

"And why did it take over 300 years to create the calculation and establish this date for observation?"

"Is observing the death and resurrection of Christ each and every year on a Friday and Sunday worshiping the Lord in truth.....according to the word of God?"


Any views or comments?




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First off, even though i admire your determination those questions you ask are not really important. And second i didn't read the bible that much, i admit it the bible was so hard for me to get myself to read. However I still sought after his heart, the knowledge and the things he taught me didn't exactly come from his word. Some of it did, but most of it was from giving up all my time to worship, pray and love him. Don't get me wrong i know the value of his word and it is increasingly becoming More valuable to me, but honestly people focus to much on things like correct dates or correct holidays or the correct way top worship or the correct way to read the bible. The list goes on and on, However does god care what day we worship the things he did such as rising from the grave? I can say 100% No he does not, he cares whats in our hearts and i am sure he would love it if we praised and made everyday a day to worship what he did
 
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"....but honestly people focus to much on things like correct dates or correct holidays or the correct way to worship or the correct way to read the bible. However does God care what day we worship the things he did such as rising from the grave? I can say 100% No he does not.....
Since you have not read the bible that much....let's read to find the importance God put's on the things He commands;

Was God serious about His commandment to Adam and not listening to the words of Satan in the Garden?

Gen.2
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam did not keep the commandment of God and died within a day; "
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.".

Adam died before reaching 1000 years; as did every other human after him.


Was God serious about keeping His sabbath day?

Num.15
[32] And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
[33] And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
[34] And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
[35] And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.


God had a man stoned for breaking His sabbath.


Was God serious about keeping His feast days forever?

Lev.23
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[21] And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
[31] Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Now let's read what God will demand when He returns;

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

God will require ALL nations to keep ALL of His feast days when He returns. Either keep them or receive no rain. No rain means no crops. No crops mean no food. No food means death!


Now one of God's feast days is the Feast of Passover. It is the day that Jesus died. Let's read how long God commands that this feast is to be kept and HOW it is to be kept;

Exod.12
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Num.9
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
[11] The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
[12] They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.


God commanded that His Passover be kept at the appointed time and in the way He commanded it to be kept. And it was commanded to be kept FOREVER!


We just read above that God had a man killed because he did not worship Him as commanded.

God's word tells us that even upon His return His Feast of Tabernacles will be kept by ALL nations and those that do not will not receive rain.

God said that His Feast of Passover was to be kept forever in the way that He commanded it to be kept.

But you
claim that you are 100% that God does not care about the how we worship Him.

Are you sure about that? Let's read in one more place of how some did and some did not do as commanded by God and find their fate.....

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



God is VERY particular about our worship towards Him! Either we do it as He commands or we suffer His wrath.



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Blain

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Since you have not read the bible that much....let's read to find the importance God put's on the things He commands;

Was God serious about His commandment to Adam and not listening to the words of Satan in the Garden?

Gen.2
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam did not keep the commandment of God and died within a day; "
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.".

Adam died before reaching 1000 years; as did every other human after him.


Was God serious about keeping His sabbath day?

Num.15
[32] And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
[33] And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
[34] And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
[35] And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.


God had a man stoned for breaking His sabbath.


Was God serious about keeping His feast days forever?

Lev.23
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[21] And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
[31] Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Now let's read what God will demand when He returns;

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

God will require ALL nations to keep ALL of His feast days when He returns. Either keep them or receive no rain. No rain means no crops. No crops mean no food. No food means death!


Now one of God's feast days is the Feast of Passover. It is the day that Jesus died. Let's read how long God commands that this feast is to be kept and HOW it is to be kept;

Exod.12
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Num.9
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
[11] The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
[12] They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.


God commanded that His Passover be kept at the appointed time and in the way He commanded it to be kept. And it was commanded to be kept FOREVER!


We just read above that God had a man killed because he did not worship Him as commanded.

God's word tells us that even upon His return His Feast of Tabernacles will be kept by ALL nations and those that do not will not receive rain.

God said that His Feast of Passover was to be kept forever in the way that He commanded it to be kept.

But you
claim that you are 100% that God does not care about the how we worship Him.

Are you sure about that? Let's read in one more place of how some did and some did not do as commanded by God and find their fate.....

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



God is VERY particular about our worship towards Him! Either we do it as He commands or we suffer His wrath.



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Yes i am comepletly sure, I will worship him everyday, i will thank him everyday for what he has done and what he will do, I will honor the lord with my thoughts and my heart and i will do this even on sunday. You have things reversed, when he meant to not work on the sabbath he never meant to not worship him or seek his heart everyday. He meant with the things we do such as our job or something and on the nseventh day rest. When God created the eart for six days he created it for his glory and for his children and on the seventh day he saw it as good and rested. I cannot go a day without god, i cannot go a day without seeking his heart and i cannot go a day without worshiping him or else i end up craving him more than i can bear. I am sorry but i love him far to much to follow your way
 
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Eccl12and13

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Yes i am comepletly sure, I will worship him everyday, i will thank him everyday for what he has done and what he will do, I will honor the lord with my thoughts and my heart and i will do this even on sunday.....

First of all, let's not confuse the readers with what you are claiming now verses your original statement.

Originally you claimed that you were 100% sure that God did not care how He was worshiped. Let's read your statement again;

"However does God care what day we worship the things he did such as rising from the grave? I can say 100% No he does not...." Post #11.

To which I gave the following scriptures to prove that indeed God does care how He is worshiped;


God cared how He was to be worshiped in His commandment to Adam to the point that He told Adam he would die within the day if he broke it;

Gen.2
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God cared so much about the correct way of worshiping Him on His sabbath that He had a man killed for not following it;

Num.15
[32] And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
[33] And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
[34] And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
[35] And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.


God cares so much about the correct keeping of His feast days to the point that He will deny rain, in the future, to those that do not keep it in the way He commanded;

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.



And YES......God cares about the way in which His Son's death is to be remembered. He cares so much so, that He said His death was to be remembered FOREVER;


Exod.12
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Num.9
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
[11] The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
[12] They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.



And if all of that were not enough...Jesus came to prove to us just how important keeping God's Passover was by giving us the example and keeping it Himself....on the exact date and in the exact manner as God commanded;

Matt.26
[17] Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
[18] And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
[19] And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.


Luke 22
[7] Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
[8] And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
[13] And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.



So again....God cares VERY much in the way He is to be worshiped. He cares so much that to those that do not obey Him they will not enter into His kingdom;


"And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy thesinners thereof out of it."
"Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."


Does the above sound like the actions of a God that does NOT care in the way He commands to be worshiped?

God is VERY particular about our worship towards Him! Either we do it as He commands or we suffer His wrath.


Now again concerning the following questions;

"How is it possible that the death and resurrection of Christ ALWAYS fall on a Friday and Sunday year after year?"

"And why did it take over 300 years to create the calculation and establish this date for observation?"

"Is observing the death and resurrection of Christ each and every year on a Friday and Sunday worshiping the Lord in truth.....according to the word of God?"


If you believe they do not concern you, or they do not need to be answered.........you do know you do not have to reply right?


These questions are for those that may not realize God's commandment to worship Him in truth, to prove ALL things and to make FULL proof of their ministry.


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loveme1

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I did wonder how this was so the other day...

What do they align it to?
 
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Eccl12and13

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I did wonder how this was so the other day...

What do they align it to?

Good question. ALL of our doctrine is to align itself to the word of God. We are to receive all of our doctrine from scriptures;

2 Tim. 3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And not from some man-made calculations that fit his thinking.


Maybe today you will get the chance to ask some of the questions presented in this OP and see what they say.

Ask them;

"How is it possible that the death and resurrection of Christ ALWAYS fall on a Friday and Sunday year after year?"

"And why did it take over 300 years to create the calculation and establish this date for observation?"

"Is observing the death and resurrection of Christ each and every year on a Friday and Sunday worshiping the Lord in truth.....according to the word of God?"



And then follow up with these;

Is this worshiping God in truth?
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God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Is this proving ALL things?
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

Is this making FULL proof of thy ministry?
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But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."



Do as God commands;

1 John 4
[1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.




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Apr 23, 2012
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Mark 2:23-28;
Controversy over Sabbath-Work
23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfileds on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
24 And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?"
25 But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him:
26 "how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?"
27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 "Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

in a few hours i will go to church and partake and listen to the service - an Easter service. i am well aware that there is such a thing as equinoxes etc there are many pagan roots to many things if you really want to hunt them down. but i do not want to be a hunter. and i want no prey. i want only to receive a message and maybe in some way give back. i struggle with things, we all do. but my heart is heavy when i see ppl so held to the Law that Christ came to fulfill. He came to fulfill and free us from the letter of that Law and today is meant to be a representation of that. He came for Light and Love, He came to take away the sins of the world to unbind us from this pedantic way of living.
 

loveme1

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#18
Mark 2:23-28;
Controversy over Sabbath-Work
23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfileds on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
24 And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?"
25 But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him:
26 "how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?"
27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 "Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

in a few hours i will go to church and partake and listen to the service - an Easter service. i am well aware that there is such a thing as equinoxes etc there are many pagan roots to many things if you really want to hunt them down. but i do not want to be a hunter. and i want no prey. i want only to receive a message and maybe in some way give back. i struggle with things, we all do. but my heart is heavy when i see ppl so held to the Law that Christ came to fulfill. He came to fulfill and free us from the letter of that Law and today is meant to be a representation of that. He came for Light and Love, He came to take away the sins of the world to unbind us from this pedantic way of living.

Indeed He is Light and Love.

Revelation 2

I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Matthew 5

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast itfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thatthy whole body should be cast into hell.
The Messiah is Love and Truth and that is why we must take heed of what he speaks to us.
 
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Ralphthemonk

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A human who thinks of work on the sabbath violates the sabbath. Gross sinner. Gross.
But we Christians are told by the Bible to worship on Sunday, the first day of the week, which is what the early Church observed, and with fewer and fewer Jews, the Jewish Law was as Jesus predicted, fulfilled in Him, giving a right standing before the Law and God through the finished ministry of Jesus Christ. Read Galatians with an open mind.
 
Apr 23, 2012
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loveme1,
ok...i guess never mind? bc i dont understand what u are trying to say.