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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
Paul is often misunderstood, especially when Paul talks of law. In 2 Peter it talks about this. Peter is talking of how we are to behave as we wait for the new heaven and the new earth, and what Paul tells us about it. Peter says that it is the lawless who misunderstand. He isn’t speaking of those who are lawless by Roman law, but lawless by the law of Moses.
(2Pe 3:16) speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. (2Pe 3:17) You therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability. (2Pe 3:18) But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day ofeternity. Amen.
To read Paul correctly, we have to be familiar with the world Paul lived in. The people had grown up with OT scripture, our minds are filled with NT scripture that didn’t exist then. They were as familiar with Hillel and Shammai as we are with the Democrats and Republicans. We read NT scripture with a bias of religion we have been taught, so did they. They knew OT like we know NT today. Their thinking was not like ours. God principles it teaches are timeless, as much for us today as for people then. But to understand these principles, we need to understand the time the scripture was written to.
We have to know that one of the big questions of the day was what to do about converts to Christianity or Judaism. They didn’t even think of these as separate until later. Many of the Jews truly felt that converts needed to become Jews and accept all of the culture of Jewishness.
On top of all this there is the problem with translation from Hebrew to Greek to other languages. Not only the languages, but the difference in culture that makes for differences in understanding.
Some of the misunderstandings are when Paul talks to us about the “curse of the law” “not under law but under grace”. We read that Paul was against what Moses taught. He wasn’t.
We have to know some basic facts about God as God inspired Paul so we can understand Paul, and see behind our misunderstandings. 1. There is one God for all people. It isn’t one for Jew and one for gentile. 2. The first 5 books in the bible are scripture about this one God. 3. The NT expands on this, but never changes who God is.
Paul is often misunderstood, especially when Paul talks of law. In 2 Peter it talks about this. Peter is talking of how we are to behave as we wait for the new heaven and the new earth, and what Paul tells us about it. Peter says that it is the lawless who misunderstand. He isn’t speaking of those who are lawless by Roman law, but lawless by the law of Moses.
(2Pe 3:16) speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. (2Pe 3:17) You therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability. (2Pe 3:18) But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day ofeternity. Amen.
To read Paul correctly, we have to be familiar with the world Paul lived in. The people had grown up with OT scripture, our minds are filled with NT scripture that didn’t exist then. They were as familiar with Hillel and Shammai as we are with the Democrats and Republicans. We read NT scripture with a bias of religion we have been taught, so did they. They knew OT like we know NT today. Their thinking was not like ours. God principles it teaches are timeless, as much for us today as for people then. But to understand these principles, we need to understand the time the scripture was written to.
We have to know that one of the big questions of the day was what to do about converts to Christianity or Judaism. They didn’t even think of these as separate until later. Many of the Jews truly felt that converts needed to become Jews and accept all of the culture of Jewishness.
On top of all this there is the problem with translation from Hebrew to Greek to other languages. Not only the languages, but the difference in culture that makes for differences in understanding.
Some of the misunderstandings are when Paul talks to us about the “curse of the law” “not under law but under grace”. We read that Paul was against what Moses taught. He wasn’t.
We have to know some basic facts about God as God inspired Paul so we can understand Paul, and see behind our misunderstandings. 1. There is one God for all people. It isn’t one for Jew and one for gentile. 2. The first 5 books in the bible are scripture about this one God. 3. The NT expands on this, but never changes who God is.
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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
NilE??
'law of Christ' = Christ's law = The Law
Kind of like the 'The Way,' 'The Truth,' and, 'The Life.'
Could be mistaken but pretty sure an 'of' word with something means transposed, like, 'spirit of God,' which equals 'God's spirit,' no?
Refresh my memory again on how grammar works, please
Anyway, moot point, and, I am being quite rhetorical with you right now, Christ IS The Law
NilE??
'law of Christ' = Christ's law = The Law
Kind of like the 'The Way,' 'The Truth,' and, 'The Life.'
Could be mistaken but pretty sure an 'of' word with something means transposed, like, 'spirit of God,' which equals 'God's spirit,' no?
Refresh my memory again on how grammar works, please
Anyway, moot point, and, I am being quite rhetorical with you right now, Christ IS The Law
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
In the NT, "The Law" refers to the Mosaic Law, with its curse attached for imperfect obedience (Gal 3:10-11).
It does not refer to the law of Christ, which is the law of love written on our hearts, and with no curse attached for imperfect obedience.
In the NT, Christ is not the Law.
Yes, grammatically, law of Christ = Christ's law.
But grammatically, Christ's law does not mean Christ is the Law.
In the NT, "The Law" refers to the Mosaic Law, with its curse attached for imperfect obedience (Gal 3:10-11).
It does not refer to the law of Christ, which is the law of love written on our hearts, and with no curse attached for imperfect obedience.
In the NT, Christ is not the Law.
Could be mistaken but pretty sure an 'of' word with something means transposed, like, 'spirit of God,' which equals 'God's spirit,' no?
Refresh my memory again on how grammar works, please
Refresh my memory again on how grammar works, please
But grammatically, Christ's law does not mean Christ is the Law.
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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
True, but not completely true, nilE . In Scripture, 'the crowd' says they know about 'the Law' that speaks of the 'risen Christ,' which might not be metaphorically relating Jesus Christ to The Law, which I think the verses I speak of were the ones wondering about this Saviour who was going to be their Messiah, but was now going to die. But, yeah, they are referring either Christ as 'The Law' (depending on which version you read, the 'L' is captialized or not, but definitely this is NOT mosaic law spoken of, it's the New Testament law that comes when Christ dies and changes everything ....
This crowd, they are referring to Christ, therefore, as The Law, this is my green brain annals residing, I want to say John 12:41, I should look it up but late and I'm going to beddy bye, milady
True, but not completely true, nilE . In Scripture, 'the crowd' says they know about 'the Law' that speaks of the 'risen Christ,' which might not be metaphorically relating Jesus Christ to The Law, which I think the verses I speak of were the ones wondering about this Saviour who was going to be their Messiah, but was now going to die. But, yeah, they are referring either Christ as 'The Law' (depending on which version you read, the 'L' is captialized or not, but definitely this is NOT mosaic law spoken of, it's the New Testament law that comes when Christ dies and changes everything ....
This crowd, they are referring to Christ, therefore, as The Law, this is my green brain annals residing, I want to say John 12:41, I should look it up but late and I'm going to beddy bye, milady
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
Love is indeed the fulfillment of the law. what then does love look like? can I love and not keep the law?
After all if the law is love then love is also the law. one cannot separate the two. If a man says he loves yet willingly breaks the law then He is a liar or deceived as to what real love is.
No one can love without keeping the law, and this is the work of God in you so that you may not boast. love is the only way to keep the law and love is of God, God is love. Jesus exemplified the law. so then if Christ be in you then His love will shine through you and His law will be kept in you.
Love is indeed the fulfillment of the law. what then does love look like? can I love and not keep the law?
After all if the law is love then love is also the law. one cannot separate the two. If a man says he loves yet willingly breaks the law then He is a liar or deceived as to what real love is.
No one can love without keeping the law, and this is the work of God in you so that you may not boast. love is the only way to keep the law and love is of God, God is love. Jesus exemplified the law. so then if Christ be in you then His love will shine through you and His law will be kept in you.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
Everyone knows God is Love, and that our God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Because our Savior has taught us to learn of Him for "His yoke is easy His burden is light," learn all from Him. If any believer has not yet understood by the Holy Spirit, inquire from one who is trusted in the Lord, and if at first it is not satisfactory, continue through other trusted family in Yeshua. Frankly, the Holy Spirit residing in you should tell you all you need to know about law and grace because of the Love from God. Now as a refresher from the Word. Understand that with accepting the salvation of Yahweh from His Holy Lamb's total sacrifice, the law that is important and was inscribed in stone is now written by God, Himself, on tables of flesh, on our hearts. Trust Him to trust your faith and love always, amen.
Everyone knows God is Love, and that our God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Because our Savior has taught us to learn of Him for "His yoke is easy His burden is light," learn all from Him. If any believer has not yet understood by the Holy Spirit, inquire from one who is trusted in the Lord, and if at first it is not satisfactory, continue through other trusted family in Yeshua. Frankly, the Holy Spirit residing in you should tell you all you need to know about law and grace because of the Love from God. Now as a refresher from the Word. Understand that with accepting the salvation of Yahweh from His Holy Lamb's total sacrifice, the law that is important and was inscribed in stone is now written by God, Himself, on tables of flesh, on our hearts. Trust Him to trust your faith and love always, amen.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment:“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)
7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).
9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment:“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)
7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).
9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
In Romans (11:13) Paul calls himself apostle to the gentiles. (or nations)
If you look at the books he wrote, they are NOT to Israel, but to gentile nations.
Those people absolutely did NOT have a Jewish background. Most likely they knew very little about the OT scriptures, if anything at all.
Just look at the places he wrote to...Thessalonica, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi...these were not Jewish nations, they were gentile.
We have those epistles today to show us how Paul wrote to them.
How he spoke to them, we do not know.
But to assume he insisted they all learned everything about Judaism and the OT before they could hear of Christ is a leap, don't you think?
I see nothing in his letters that lead to this conclusion.
In Romans (11:13) Paul calls himself apostle to the gentiles. (or nations)
If you look at the books he wrote, they are NOT to Israel, but to gentile nations.
Those people absolutely did NOT have a Jewish background. Most likely they knew very little about the OT scriptures, if anything at all.
Just look at the places he wrote to...Thessalonica, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi...these were not Jewish nations, they were gentile.
We have those epistles today to show us how Paul wrote to them.
How he spoke to them, we do not know.
But to assume he insisted they all learned everything about Judaism and the OT before they could hear of Christ is a leap, don't you think?
I see nothing in his letters that lead to this conclusion.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
I believe the following Scripture may lend help to the discussion. It is nice to learn Jesus Christ is our Savior, and it is even better to know just how long mankind had been awaiting Him previous to His coming. Most nations had heard the saying, "Salvation is from the Jews," though today most folks cannot make the connection.
Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
Luk 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Therefore we see plainly, Yeshua, Himself, explained Moses and the Prophets to His disciples. Now, no one need know the entire Old Testament in order to know our Lord and Savior, Yeshua, but it certainly clarifies the way we know Him and walk the walk He has given each of us.
I believe the following Scripture may lend help to the discussion. It is nice to learn Jesus Christ is our Savior, and it is even better to know just how long mankind had been awaiting Him previous to His coming. Most nations had heard the saying, "Salvation is from the Jews," though today most folks cannot make the connection.
Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
Luk 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Therefore we see plainly, Yeshua, Himself, explained Moses and the Prophets to His disciples. Now, no one need know the entire Old Testament in order to know our Lord and Savior, Yeshua, but it certainly clarifies the way we know Him and walk the walk He has given each of us.
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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
I agree wholeheartedly. This is very important to understand especially when so many of Israel rejected Christ as their Messiah, even Paul had been a part of that rejection. However, he was converted and called to the Gentiles. Just think for a minute how some of the Gentiles converts must have felt seeing so many of the Jews in outright rebellion against the one who came to set them free and later finding out through the prophecies of the old testament prophets of his first coming and what they were going to do to him in crucifying him. Paul was the second most rejected man by the Jews that ever lived because of his message of grace and Jesus Christ crucified. The law of Moses the Jews had grown to love and adhere to was being challenge by this X-Pharisee and they hated him for that and sought many times to silence him and put him to death. The law was being challenged by the message of grace because righteousness would now be by faith in the cross of Christ and not according to the law. This is why so many of them became blinded, even to this day, because they will not turn to Christ by faith and receive his work and shed blood accomplished on the cross to have that vail taken away.
I agree wholeheartedly. This is very important to understand especially when so many of Israel rejected Christ as their Messiah, even Paul had been a part of that rejection. However, he was converted and called to the Gentiles. Just think for a minute how some of the Gentiles converts must have felt seeing so many of the Jews in outright rebellion against the one who came to set them free and later finding out through the prophecies of the old testament prophets of his first coming and what they were going to do to him in crucifying him. Paul was the second most rejected man by the Jews that ever lived because of his message of grace and Jesus Christ crucified. The law of Moses the Jews had grown to love and adhere to was being challenge by this X-Pharisee and they hated him for that and sought many times to silence him and put him to death. The law was being challenged by the message of grace because righteousness would now be by faith in the cross of Christ and not according to the law. This is why so many of them became blinded, even to this day, because they will not turn to Christ by faith and receive his work and shed blood accomplished on the cross to have that vail taken away.
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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
Jesus Christ lived out the laws of Moses, fulfilling them, tbus, He usurped the laws of Moses unto.Himself, which means, like word, 'supercede,' that Jesus became The Law.
So, maybe, one wants to get technical about 'The Law' never referencing Christ as such, make no mistake Christ is, was, will always be The Law we are to follow . And, we are to follow Him, which we will do IF we LOVE Him with all.our heart, body, mind, being, and, we love others, for the other commandments shoot from this 'vine.' And, God's sending of Jesus to us covered ALL our sins made of law-unabiding citizenry, for when we accepted Him, for by grace we are saved, through His given faith to us we are to use because we are 'His workmanship.' That none should boast of keeping laws but only boast of Christ , as 1 Cor. 1 lovely says
The Lord leads.
Jesus Christ lived out the laws of Moses, fulfilling them, tbus, He usurped the laws of Moses unto.Himself, which means, like word, 'supercede,' that Jesus became The Law.
So, maybe, one wants to get technical about 'The Law' never referencing Christ as such, make no mistake Christ is, was, will always be The Law we are to follow . And, we are to follow Him, which we will do IF we LOVE Him with all.our heart, body, mind, being, and, we love others, for the other commandments shoot from this 'vine.' And, God's sending of Jesus to us covered ALL our sins made of law-unabiding citizenry, for when we accepted Him, for by grace we are saved, through His given faith to us we are to use because we are 'His workmanship.' That none should boast of keeping laws but only boast of Christ , as 1 Cor. 1 lovely says
The Lord leads.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
Not quite. . .
"The crowd spoke up, 'We have heard from the Law that the Christ will remain forever,' " (Jn 12:34)
"The Law" has several meanings in the NT--the Mosaic Law, the Pentateuch, the whole OT.
Here, the crowd is referring to the whole OT, from which they heard from the rabbis that Christ will remain forever, from such Scriptures as Ps 89:6, 110:4; Isa 9:7; Da 7:14.
Again, nowhere does Scripture state or show that "Christ is the Law."
True, but not completely true, nilE . In Scripture, 'the crowd' says they know about 'the Law' that speaks of the 'risen Christ,' which might not be metaphorically relating Jesus Christ to The Law, which I think the verses I speak of were the ones wondering about this Saviour who was going to be their Messiah, but was now going to die. But, yeah, they are referring either Christ as 'The Law' (depending on which version you read, the 'L' is captialized or not, but definitely this is NOT mosaic law spoken of, it's the New Testament law that comes when Christ dies and changes everything ....
This crowd, they are referring to Christ, therefore, as The Law, this is my green brain annals residing, I want to say John 12:41, I should look it up but late and I'm going to beddy bye, milady
This crowd, they are referring to Christ, therefore, as The Law, this is my green brain annals residing, I want to say John 12:41, I should look it up but late and I'm going to beddy bye, milady
"The crowd spoke up, 'We have heard from the Law that the Christ will remain forever,' " (Jn 12:34)
"The Law" has several meanings in the NT--the Mosaic Law, the Pentateuch, the whole OT.
Here, the crowd is referring to the whole OT, from which they heard from the rabbis that Christ will remain forever, from such Scriptures as Ps 89:6, 110:4; Isa 9:7; Da 7:14.
Again, nowhere does Scripture state or show that "Christ is the Law."
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
It looks like this:
If I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols.
If I love my parents, I will honor them.
If I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor kill them, nor commit adultery with their spouses,
nor lust after their possessions.
Love fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Ro 13:8-10).
That is what the Law written on our hearts looks like.
It looks like this:
If I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols.
If I love my parents, I will honor them.
If I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor kill them, nor commit adultery with their spouses,
nor lust after their possessions.
Love fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Ro 13:8-10).
That is what the Law written on our hearts looks like.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
No, it does not.
And nothing in Scripture states that it does.
I can live out the commands/laws my physician gives me for my health, but I don't become those commands/laws.
I, personally, do not become the commands/laws his other patients must follow for their health.
No, it does not.
And nothing in Scripture states that it does.
I can live out the commands/laws my physician gives me for my health, but I don't become those commands/laws.
I, personally, do not become the commands/laws his other patients must follow for their health.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
I am not an expert on what life was like at the time Paul wrote, but I have tried to learn by reading histories of the time, usually ones by college professors. It was a complicated time, and there seemed to be differences in different towns, but there wasn't the big chasm we have now between Jew and Christian gentiles. They would go to Synagogues. There did seem to be a problem for the Jews with what to do with people converts, that was apart from what we see now as a problem of all Jews rejecting Christ, and all converts rejecting Judaism. There truly was a problem with some Jews saying that noone could be accepted unless they accepted the customs of the Jewish race and it was one of the things that Paul had to handle in his ministry.
The powerful rabbis looked at Paul's teaching as something different, and more as you are explaining.
To me, studying the world Paul lived in, and studying the scripture that Paul knew so well, has helped me understand better what Paul was teaching. I read Paul as a voice of God, instructed by Him in what he says, never saying anything different from what God taught from the beginning. The need for a temple, the need for the sacrificial rituals, that the powerful words of love expressed in the law is not in stone only, but in our hearts is different. But the principles remain the same.
I am not an expert on what life was like at the time Paul wrote, but I have tried to learn by reading histories of the time, usually ones by college professors. It was a complicated time, and there seemed to be differences in different towns, but there wasn't the big chasm we have now between Jew and Christian gentiles. They would go to Synagogues. There did seem to be a problem for the Jews with what to do with people converts, that was apart from what we see now as a problem of all Jews rejecting Christ, and all converts rejecting Judaism. There truly was a problem with some Jews saying that noone could be accepted unless they accepted the customs of the Jewish race and it was one of the things that Paul had to handle in his ministry.
The powerful rabbis looked at Paul's teaching as something different, and more as you are explaining.
To me, studying the world Paul lived in, and studying the scripture that Paul knew so well, has helped me understand better what Paul was teaching. I read Paul as a voice of God, instructed by Him in what he says, never saying anything different from what God taught from the beginning. The need for a temple, the need for the sacrificial rituals, that the powerful words of love expressed in the law is not in stone only, but in our hearts is different. But the principles remain the same.
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Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
Christ is The Law, whether Scripture says it or not, that's immaterial, don't you think ?
Please, think
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True, 'the crowd' could have been speaking of OT of Isaiah, or, somewhere, where Christ is prophesied to change a coming nation.
Christ, indeed, swallowed up the Mosaic Law, He became 'it,' those laws became 'obsolete,' 'no longer needed,' because Christ following of his followers, commanded to 'love Him with all their heart, mind, body, soul,' and, 'love thy neighbor as thyself,' are what ALL the other commandments hinge on. I think this would be easy to see what I'm saying but, maybe, not, nilE.
Christ is The Law, whether Scripture says it or not, that's immaterial, don't you think ?
Please, think
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True, 'the crowd' could have been speaking of OT of Isaiah, or, somewhere, where Christ is prophesied to change a coming nation.
Christ, indeed, swallowed up the Mosaic Law, He became 'it,' those laws became 'obsolete,' 'no longer needed,' because Christ following of his followers, commanded to 'love Him with all their heart, mind, body, soul,' and, 'love thy neighbor as thyself,' are what ALL the other commandments hinge on. I think this would be easy to see what I'm saying but, maybe, not, nilE.
Re: Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This me
We are saying the same thing, and it is coming out differently. You say "swallowed up" I say it is all the same. Someone said it was written in stone, now in our hearts. That is a thought just as the bible expresses it in every verse. Nothing is done away with, Christ is there, the law is there, love is there., the law in our hearts is there, all swallowed up together.
God talks of something made obsolete, but it isn't love, it isn't Christ, it isn't love expressed in the law.
Christ is The Law, whether Scripture says it or not, that's immaterial, don't you think ?
Please, think
___________
True, 'the crowd' could have been speaking of OT of Isaiah, or, somewhere, where Christ is prophesied to change a coming nation.
Christ, indeed, swallowed up the Mosaic Law, He became 'it,' those laws became 'obsolete,' 'no longer needed,' because Christ following of his followers, commanded to 'love Him with all their heart, mind, body, soul,' and, 'love thy neighbor as thyself,' are what ALL the other commandments hinge on. I think this would be easy to see what I'm saying but, maybe, not, nilE.
Please, think
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True, 'the crowd' could have been speaking of OT of Isaiah, or, somewhere, where Christ is prophesied to change a coming nation.
Christ, indeed, swallowed up the Mosaic Law, He became 'it,' those laws became 'obsolete,' 'no longer needed,' because Christ following of his followers, commanded to 'love Him with all their heart, mind, body, soul,' and, 'love thy neighbor as thyself,' are what ALL the other commandments hinge on. I think this would be easy to see what I'm saying but, maybe, not, nilE.
God talks of something made obsolete, but it isn't love, it isn't Christ, it isn't love expressed in the law.