Col 2:16-17

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gotime

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This text is used often to promote a position that the 7th day Sabbath is only a Shadow. lets see.

lets pick it up in verse 14.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

what is blotted out?

Handwriting of ordinances. To those who know the Old Testament this would straight away lead them to the sacrificial feast days of the law written by Moses own hand passed down by God.

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

notice it is a witness against them written by Moses own hand and placed on the side of the ark.

now notice this:

Num 9:3 In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.

Num 9:12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.

So we see that the feast days are referred to as Ordinances.

lets take a look at the verse again.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So the sacrificial feasts which Moses wrote by his own hand were ordinances that were a witness against them. very clear if we study and know the Old Testament in which Paul is clearly referring to. but just in case that is not clear enough.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

notice the law had a shadow of good things to come. what law?

Paul says the sacrificial laws. what were they replaced with?

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Through Jesus death on the cross there is now no need for sacrificial offerings or feast days. they were a shadow says Paul of things to come.

So again Paul is clear that the sacrificial feasts are in view as a shadow that is met in Christ.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

so very clear. So what does Paul say next?

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

so in His death he defeated Satan and his followers and triumphed over them. then he says the commonly used verses.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

notice verse 17 ends with it was a shadow of things to come but the body is Christ again context shows that Paul is speaking of this shadow as he did in Hebrews, so then verse 16 would refer to the sacrificial feast days. lets take a look.

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Ok this is concerning the feasts of the Lord which are Holy Convocations also known as Holy Days.
then notice what happens in the next verse,

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

notice God speaks of the 7th day Sabbath and refers to it as "the" Sabbath of rest twice which in Hebrew means emphasis on the fact. It is not a Sabbath its "the" Sabbath. when the word "the" is used it means this Sabbath is a specific Sabbath, not just any Sabbath. why because while the feast were on they had their own Sabbath days but "the" weekly Sabbath stood apart from these and was to still be kept even when the Feast was on.

Feast Sabbaths happened on dates while the weekly Sabbath fell every 7th day. Feast Sabbaths could be on whatever day the date of the Feast fell. it was connected to the Feast itself while the 7th day Sabbath was considered "the" Sabbath of the Lord. thus it was both in the book of the law and also in the 10 Commandments in the ark.

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Then God goes back to the feasts. this shows that God gave particular importance to the 7th day Sabbath which was not to be set aside during Feast times.

Notice what is involved in feast times.

Lev 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

notice meat offerings and drink offerings

Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.

notice there were also Sabbaths involved in the feast days and the holy days. For example

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

the first day was to be a Sabbath as well as the seventh day of the feast of unleavened bread. Two Sabbaths that were not the 7th day Sabbath. anyway I could go on, this is enough to do ones own study from here.

Clearly Paul was speaking of the feast days every description Paul gives fits the sacrificial Feast days.

On top of that point one only has to make the realization that the 7th day Sabbath looks back as a memorial not forward as a shadow.

case in point

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God blesses 7th day and sets it apart from other days and rests.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

remember to "keep" we do not make anything Holy but we are asked to remember the day God made holy. why?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God points us back "memorial" to creation when He rested and blessed the Sabbath and made it Holy.

So there is no way one can apply the 7th day Sabbath in Colossians 2.

May God bless us all in Jesus name.
 

Bookends

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What are you trying to do? Take over the CC with a SDA agenda? Are you trying to create friction between Sunday worshipers and Sabbatarians? Are you trying to put fear into those who aren't sabbath keepers to convert them? And with that, I'm outa here.
 

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Heb 4:1 Let us be afraid therefore, lest, a promise being left behind to enter into his rest, any of you should seem to have come short.Heb 4:2 For we also are having good news preached, just as also those men, but the word of hearing did not benefit those men, not having been mixed together with faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3 For those who believe enter into that rest, just as he said, So I swore in my wrath, They will not enter into my rest, although the works occurred from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spoke somewhere about the seventh this way, And God rested during the seventh day from all his works,
Heb 4:5 and in this again, They will not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly had good news did not enter because of disobedience,
Heb 4:7 again he appoints a certain day, Today, saying in David after so long a time (as it is said), Today if ye will hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken about another day after these things.
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a sabbath for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For a man who has entered into his rest, he has also rested from his works, as God did from his own

.The true Sabbath found in Jesus the Messiah which points us to the NEW CREATION and past the old....
 
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the sabbaths paul mentions in colossians 2:16-17 are clearly not the feast days...

why? because paul -already mentioned- the feast days in the very same sentence...

saying the sabbaths are just the feast days is like saying it makes sense to write 'americans celebrate holidays such as independence day and thanksgiving and the fourth of july'

also paul is following a logical order... feast days...new moons...and sabbaths... annual...monthly...weekly...
 
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the sabbaths paul mentions in colossians 2:16-17 are clearly not the feast days...

why? because paul -already mentioned- the feast days in the very same sentence...

saying the sabbaths are just the feast days is like saying it makes sense to write 'americans celebrate holidays such as independence day and thanksgiving and the fourth of july'

also paul is following a logical order... feast days...new moons...and sabbaths... annual...monthly...weekly...
The fact that Paul mentions the feast days shows that the sabbaths mentioned in those verses are the ceremonial sabbaths not the weekly sabbath. Acts 15 reveals that there was an issue in the early church about keeping the ceremonial laws. Some taught that they had to keep the ceremonial laws to be saved. Paul is showing we do not have to keep the ceremonial laws to be saved but, shows they are fulfilled in Christ.
 

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Really getting tired of hearing all this Sabbath nonsense. As I said in a different post to someone from a different faith, you are not going to convert us.

Or even convict us!!

We will not lose our salvation over a commandment which really was mentioned only twice in the Bible. The 10 commandments are literally not the law today.

Jesus told the rich young ruler that there was only one law that counted.

"And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 10:27
 
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gotime,

The 10 commandments are referred to as ordinances (Deuteronomy 5:1)

Besides that...

The 10 commandments were included in the "book of the covenant" (Exodus 24:4,7- look at the entire context), and is interchangeably called "the book of the law" (2 Kings 22:8; 2 Kings 23:2) which is the book that was placed beside the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26).

So yes, the scriptures say that the 10 commandments were referred to as ordinances and the 10 commandments were included in the book of the law, which was apart of the handwriting that was nailed to the cross.

With the inclusion of these old testament references that weren't presented initially, it's easier to see that Colossians 2:14, Ephesians 2:15, Galatians 3:24-25, and so many other references show that the law (including the 10 commandments) have passed away, because Christ fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:18).

 
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gotime,

The 10 commandments are referred to as ordinances (Deuteronomy 5:1)

Besides that...

The 10 commandments were included in the "book of the covenant" (Exodus 24:4,7- look at the entire context), and is interchangeably called "the book of the law" (2 Kings 22:8; 2 Kings 23:2) which is the book that was placed beside the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26).

So yes, the scriptures say that the 10 commandments were referred to as ordinances and the 10 commandments were included in the book of the law, which was apart of the handwriting that was nailed to the cross.

With the inclusion of these old testament references that weren't presented initially, it's easier to see that Colossians 2:14, Ephesians 2:15, Galatians 3:24-25, and so many other references show that the law (including the 10 commandments) have passed away, because Christ fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:18).

Deuteronomy 5:1 KJV
(1) And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

Where does this verse call the 10 commandments ordinances? The 10 commandments were placed inside the ark not on the outside. The laws that Moses wrote were placed on the outside, the law that God wrote was placed on the inside.
 
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The fact that Paul mentions the feast days shows that the sabbaths mentioned in those verses are the ceremonial sabbaths not the weekly sabbath. Acts 15 reveals that there was an issue in the early church about keeping the ceremonial laws. Some taught that they had to keep the ceremonial laws to be saved. Paul is showing we do not have to keep the ceremonial laws to be saved but, shows they are fulfilled in Christ.
actually the opposite is true...

the fact that paul mentions the feast days shows that the sabbaths mentioned in those verses are -not- the annual sabbaths...they are the weekly saturday sabbaths...

the reason is because the feast days -were- the annual sabbaths...and you do not name the same thing twice in a list...
 
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Deuteronomy 5:1 KJV
(1) And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

Where does this verse call the 10 commandments ordinances? The 10 commandments were placed inside the ark not on the outside. The laws that Moses wrote were placed on the outside, the law that God wrote was placed on the inside.
Hello Laodicea,

I noticed you enjoy doing concordance study and cross references, so I'll leave it up to you to answer your first question. It says that the 10 commandments are ordinances. In your study you'll find many other scriptures that reference the commandments as ordinances. After you're done, feel free to post a thread on your study and I'd be happy to compare my notes as well.

It seems like you responded to my address to gotime without even completely reading the address. Of course the 10 commandments were placed outside of the ark as well as the inside. The 10 commandments were also included in the book of the law that was kept outside of the ark. Please read my initial post if you plan on responding to this, so you are aware of some of the scriptures involved.
 
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I think all this arguing is silly. And silly to say that it isn’t scripture we are talking about but a denomination like SDA, or traditions in the church, or don’ t make a person feel bad by pointing to scripture for correction.

I just looked up the practice of voodoo in Africa. They are mostly Christian in Africa, but the voodoo is so mixed in that ministers preach in the morning and often have voodoo priests come in the evening. It is very like the early Christians did in Rome or Germany. It isn’t a good heritage for us to follow. I think it is wise to look only to scripture, and silly to say Christ did away with OT scripture because He replaced so much. I think examining our worship for pagan roots and tradition not of scripture is a good idea, I can't see anything wrong with it.

Also, it is easy to do with scripture just like Satan did to convince Eve to eat the apple, or Satan did to test Christ in the desert. Satan preached scripture to them both. Satan just brought out one side o God ways without the whole story. Like our saying “All the laws are fulfilledin Christ” or that Christ is the Sabbath, we don’t need another, or that it is only ceremonial law, or that we are only to love the Lord, and that has nothing to do with learning about Him so we obey. Ideas based on scripture truth but like Satan did, incomplete so it twists.
 

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Deuteronomy 5:1 KJV
(1) And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

Where does this verse call the 10 commandments ordinances? The 10 commandments were placed inside the ark not on the outside. The laws that Moses wrote were placed on the outside, the law that God wrote was placed on the inside.
yup inside the Ark representing Christ as our Lawkeeper
 
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Really getting tired of hearing all this Sabbath nonsense. As I said in a different post to someone from a different faith, you are not going to convert us.

Or even convict us!!

We will not lose our salvation over a commandment which really was mentioned only twice in the Bible. The 10 commandments are literally not the law today.

Jesus told the rich young ruler that there was only one law that counted.

"And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 10:27
Angela, look what is the love we should love God with.... 1 John 5:3... For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His are NOT grievous... And John 14:23... If a man love me, he will keep my words....

If I love God with ALL my heart, soul and strength, CAN I STILL SIN (Transgress the law)? NOPE! To keep the Words of JEsus I will have to be perfect, because ne of these sayings I have to keep is ALSO, Matthew 5:48... Be thou perfet, even as thou heavenly Father is perfect.... If I love Jesus, I WILL KEEP THIS WORD!
 
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The weekly sabbath was a memorial while the ceremonial sabbaths pointed forward.
 

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loveme1

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Exodus 20

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Matthew 5

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
Matthew 22

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
What then does your heart say?
 
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[h=3]Luke 6[/h]


[h=3]Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath[/h]6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? [SUP]4 [/SUP]He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”

[h=3][SUP]10 [/SUP]He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

Jesus didn't observe the Sabbath and yet he was considered to be without sin

Romans 14:5
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[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

If you are a christian you belong to the lord not just on saturday or on sunday or which ever day you might go to church or fellowship. you were bought at a price and God expects all of you not just 1 day a week.

 

Bookends

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Angela, look what is the love we should love God with.... 1 John 5:3... For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His are NOT grievous... And John 14:23... If a man love me, he will keep my words....

If I love God with ALL my heart, soul and strength, CAN I STILL SIN (Transgress the law)? NOPE! To keep the Words of JEsus I will have to be perfect, because ne of these sayings I have to keep is ALSO, Matthew 5:48... Be thou perfet, even as thou heavenly Father is perfect.... If I love Jesus, I WILL KEEP THIS WORD!
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
 

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1 Corinthians 15:17

New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
Powerful scripture vs the sinless perfection heresy.
 
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Powerful scripture vs the sinless perfection heresy.
Tribesman, why would you want to add SINLESS to perfection, is God's perfection not perfect enough for you? Are there any other kind of perfection for you?

If you want I will share with you the revelation of the verse IF CHRIST HAS NOT RISEN... Let me ask you this...IF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST HAS RISEN IN MY FLESH, CAN HE SIN? And if HE DID NOT can that person sin?

There now you should have no problem with the powerful verse.. AND this verse does not VS, the perfection, it confirms it.