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This person is only proving himself a sinner. Look this is a matter of what God has done and is doing for us and in us it is not our salvation it is His. His name is Salvation. Here are a few scriptures to put the matter out of your hands and into His.
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
(2Co 1:21-22)
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
(Eph 1:13-14)
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
(Eph 4:30)
May you take these to the heavenly bank and may those who trouble you repent of their works-righteousness=mongering.
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
(2Co 1:21-22)
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
(Eph 1:13-14)
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
(Eph 4:30)
May you take these to the heavenly bank and may those who trouble you repent of their works-righteousness=mongering.
I have not posted anything I cant support with scripture. Those that are lead by the flesh are not in Christ, those lead by the Spirit do not sin.
The problem with your statement ''You are secure in Christ, if he is your Saviour, Lord and Redeemer'' is that you believing sin is permissible havent yet made Jesus your Lord. We cannot have two masters, either we Lord ourselves and fulfill our own lust or we let Jesus be Lord of our lives and deny ourselves.
The problem with your statement ''You are secure in Christ, if he is your Saviour, Lord and Redeemer'' is that you believing sin is permissible havent yet made Jesus your Lord. We cannot have two masters, either we Lord ourselves and fulfill our own lust or we let Jesus be Lord of our lives and deny ourselves.
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The usual rhetoric espoused from one beholden to Reformed Theology.
Reformed Theology denies this scripture...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
and this one...
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
and this...
Act_15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
They do that because they teach this...
V. This corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated;[11] and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.[12]
ref: Westminster Confession of Faith, Article 6, Sec. 5
and this...
II. This sanctification is throughout, in the whole man;[7] yet imperfect in this life, there abiding still some remnants of corruption in every part;[8] whence arises a continual and irreconcilable war, the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh.[9]
III. In which war, although the remaining corruption, for a time, may much prevail;[10] yet, through the continual supply of strength from the sanctifying Spirit of Christ, the regenerate part does overcome;[11] and so, the saints grow in grace,[12] perfecting holiness in the fear of God.[13]
Ref: Westminster Confession of Faith, Article 13, Sec. 2&3
Thus they have redefined "temptation," which is common to man (1Cor 10:13), into being an "indwelling sin nature" which FORCES the denial of genuine heart purity being a possibility.
Thus you can quote all the passages of the Bible which specifically speak of heart purity to these people and those passages mean nothing to them because the stronghold of "inborn sin" reigns in their minds.
That is what is going on folks.
This is why these people come up with foolish twisted strawman rhetoric like this...
They'll ignore the heart purity scriptures completely. They'll ignore the plain statements in the Bible about Christian's not sinning. Without a Biblical leg to stand on they resort to ad hominem attack via the invention of strawman positions which they then ridicule.
Jesus made this statement and he meant it...
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
MANY! MANY! MANY!
The MAJORITY of people who profess Jesus as Lord are going to be condemned at the judgment to their shock and horror.
Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
FEW are going to be saved.
Which will you be?
Reformed Theology denies this scripture...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
and this one...
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
and this...
Act_15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
They do that because they teach this...
V. This corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated;[11] and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.[12]
ref: Westminster Confession of Faith, Article 6, Sec. 5
and this...
II. This sanctification is throughout, in the whole man;[7] yet imperfect in this life, there abiding still some remnants of corruption in every part;[8] whence arises a continual and irreconcilable war, the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh.[9]
III. In which war, although the remaining corruption, for a time, may much prevail;[10] yet, through the continual supply of strength from the sanctifying Spirit of Christ, the regenerate part does overcome;[11] and so, the saints grow in grace,[12] perfecting holiness in the fear of God.[13]
Ref: Westminster Confession of Faith, Article 13, Sec. 2&3
Thus they have redefined "temptation," which is common to man (1Cor 10:13), into being an "indwelling sin nature" which FORCES the denial of genuine heart purity being a possibility.
Thus you can quote all the passages of the Bible which specifically speak of heart purity to these people and those passages mean nothing to them because the stronghold of "inborn sin" reigns in their minds.
That is what is going on folks.
This is why these people come up with foolish twisted strawman rhetoric like this...
They'll ignore the heart purity scriptures completely. They'll ignore the plain statements in the Bible about Christian's not sinning. Without a Biblical leg to stand on they resort to ad hominem attack via the invention of strawman positions which they then ridicule.
Jesus made this statement and he meant it...
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
MANY! MANY! MANY!
The MAJORITY of people who profess Jesus as Lord are going to be condemned at the judgment to their shock and horror.
Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
FEW are going to be saved.
Which will you be?
People can make up their own minds as to whether people sin by choice or whether they sin because their birth nature forced them to sin. One view puts the blame ultimately on God while the other view puts the blame on the sinner.
[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]
Original Sin was accepted as orthodox through the prolific influence of Augustine who was schooled by the pagan notion of the dual nature of man. The patristic era of the church clearly taught free will.
What Satan has done is redefine the nature of man which in turn completely redefines the nature of the Gospel.
The doctrine of Original Sin teaches that sin is some sort of ethereal substance of the flesh which is the root of why people sin. The Bible on the other hand teaches that the flesh with its associated passions and desires tempt people into sin.
Thus Original Sin has taken temptation and turned it into a sinful nature which is attached to "being in the flesh body." Thus true redemption from sin is in shedding the flesh body, so while in the flesh men will always sin by necessity.
Thus due to the teaching of "perpetual sinfulness whilst in the flesh" the notion of salvation has been twisted into being an "abstract position" one holds apart from their actual manifest conduct. Thus one can be manifesting the fruit of wickedness and yet be "positionally righteous." It is an ingenious satanic deception for it keeps people in bondage to their sin whilst they truly believe that they are actually saved.
Thus under this deception people will "identify" themselves with Christ in "position" whilst in actual practicality they still remain in bondage to their iniquity.
Instead of "faith" being the dynamic of yielding to God (via full persuasion of the mind and trust) is simply becomes a "trust in an abstract notion" of Christ having saved them.
Grace in the Bible is the dynamic influence and draw of God freely granted to all men which leads them on the right path, but under the deception grace is redefined to simply be a free gift.
Thus under the deception the passage "we are saved by grace through faith and not of works" is twisted to mean that one is saved by simply trusting in the free gift of God APART from doing anything. Thus obedience is thrown out the window and twisted to be merely a fruit of salvation which is to occur sometime down the road.
When the Bible teaches "we are saved by grace through faith and not of works" it is in the context of YIELDING to the PROVISION of God apart from obeying rules and rituals. For it was the Pharisees who sought justification in keeping the "letter of the law" rather than "yielding to the truth of God in spirit." Thus the Pharisees totally misunderstood the dynamic by which the heart of man is made pure.
In Hebrews 11 faith is taught as the dynamic of DOING which is why Jesus would say that we are to be DOERS OF THE WORD. It is through the dynamic of yielding wholeheartedly to God that salvation is wrought in the hearts of men. Hence God is the author of salvation of those whom obey Him.
Repentance is the dynamic that produces wholehearted yielding to God (faith) for it involves the mind change where a sinner comes to a realisation that rebellion to God is not in their interest and that rebellion has put them under condemnation. Thus it is through the cessation of rebellion that one can then abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. Eternal life is the free gift of God THROUGH Jesus Christ.
One cannot abide (or receive) Jesus Christ and abide in rebellion at the same time.
Yet so many people want to keep some aspects of rebellion and be saved too. This is why Jesus taught that only FEW will be saved. It is only a FEW who are truly willing to pick up their cross, DENY THEMSELVES, and follow Jesus.
Thus the wolves come along and preach a Gospel message where people CAN serve two masters and be saved and people love it because that is what they want to do.
The doctrine of Original Sin teaches that sin is some sort of ethereal substance of the flesh which is the root of why people sin. The Bible on the other hand teaches that the flesh with its associated passions and desires tempt people into sin.
Thus Original Sin has taken temptation and turned it into a sinful nature which is attached to "being in the flesh body." Thus true redemption from sin is in shedding the flesh body, so while in the flesh men will always sin by necessity.
Thus due to the teaching of "perpetual sinfulness whilst in the flesh" the notion of salvation has been twisted into being an "abstract position" one holds apart from their actual manifest conduct. Thus one can be manifesting the fruit of wickedness and yet be "positionally righteous." It is an ingenious satanic deception for it keeps people in bondage to their sin whilst they truly believe that they are actually saved.
Thus under this deception people will "identify" themselves with Christ in "position" whilst in actual practicality they still remain in bondage to their iniquity.
Instead of "faith" being the dynamic of yielding to God (via full persuasion of the mind and trust) is simply becomes a "trust in an abstract notion" of Christ having saved them.
Grace in the Bible is the dynamic influence and draw of God freely granted to all men which leads them on the right path, but under the deception grace is redefined to simply be a free gift.
Thus under the deception the passage "we are saved by grace through faith and not of works" is twisted to mean that one is saved by simply trusting in the free gift of God APART from doing anything. Thus obedience is thrown out the window and twisted to be merely a fruit of salvation which is to occur sometime down the road.
When the Bible teaches "we are saved by grace through faith and not of works" it is in the context of YIELDING to the PROVISION of God apart from obeying rules and rituals. For it was the Pharisees who sought justification in keeping the "letter of the law" rather than "yielding to the truth of God in spirit." Thus the Pharisees totally misunderstood the dynamic by which the heart of man is made pure.
In Hebrews 11 faith is taught as the dynamic of DOING which is why Jesus would say that we are to be DOERS OF THE WORD. It is through the dynamic of yielding wholeheartedly to God that salvation is wrought in the hearts of men. Hence God is the author of salvation of those whom obey Him.
Repentance is the dynamic that produces wholehearted yielding to God (faith) for it involves the mind change where a sinner comes to a realisation that rebellion to God is not in their interest and that rebellion has put them under condemnation. Thus it is through the cessation of rebellion that one can then abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. Eternal life is the free gift of God THROUGH Jesus Christ.
One cannot abide (or receive) Jesus Christ and abide in rebellion at the same time.
Yet so many people want to keep some aspects of rebellion and be saved too. This is why Jesus taught that only FEW will be saved. It is only a FEW who are truly willing to pick up their cross, DENY THEMSELVES, and follow Jesus.
Thus the wolves come along and preach a Gospel message where people CAN serve two masters and be saved and people love it because that is what they want to do.
J
Oh please, no one is blaming God. THe inheritance is through adam and eve because we are made in their likeness, not on God. No one is blaming anyone but their own wickedness. Humans make choices, but these choices are not free. That's how bad we are, but you believe man is good. What a pity it must be, to be so naive of the wickedness of man.
The great deception, Heaven without holiness
2nd Thessalonians 2
10 Andwith all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The greatest most damning lie to ever spread through christianity is the idea that we can be saved from Hell without first being saved from our sin. A salvation that does not deliver us from what we are in bondage to (sin) is no salvation at all. The sad truth is most people who attend church faithfully every Sunday, being fully convince of the right standing with God through Christ are going to end up in Hell one day because they refused to receive the truth that they could be saved (from sin). Jesus didn't come to save us from the penalty of sin He came to deliver us from sin itself.
2nd Thessalonians 2
10 Andwith all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The greatest most damning lie to ever spread through christianity is the idea that we can be saved from Hell without first being saved from our sin. A salvation that does not deliver us from what we are in bondage to (sin) is no salvation at all. The sad truth is most people who attend church faithfully every Sunday, being fully convince of the right standing with God through Christ are going to end up in Hell one day because they refused to receive the truth that they could be saved (from sin). Jesus didn't come to save us from the penalty of sin He came to deliver us from sin itself.
J
Amen. The devil teaches it through "save yourself by works" and "you can make yourself righteous!"
2 Cor. 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
You just offer your vile filth up to God as a sacrifice. He demanded spotless lambs and you seek to give him a rotten corpse? What arrogance you have!
2 Cor. 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
You just offer your vile filth up to God as a sacrifice. He demanded spotless lambs and you seek to give him a rotten corpse? What arrogance you have!
J
You choose to sin, and you want nothing else you wicked fiend. You have no righteousness whatsoever, and you seek after that which is wicked. You seek to offer up to God a rotten corpse as a sacrifice on the altar of God. God did not force you to do this, you did it of your own desire because you love that which is wicked. It is your nature. Just as it is God's nature to be good. I guess God is a victom of his own goodness.
"Is it okay?" and "Will you become unsaved" are two different questions.
"Is it okay?" and "Will you become unsaved" are two different questions.