Are we required to tithe

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CDavid

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Is tithing a requirement, or is this just another OT law, that was nailed to the cross?
There is no mention of tithing in the 10 commandments.
Have churches today become a little like the pharisees who "tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God." (For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.)
 
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Ariel82

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I don't think tithing is a requirement. I think we are required to give our whole lives to God not just part of it. its not 10 percent but 100 percent and our riches is NOT money but good deeds we do for the glory of God.

it always bothered me to hear sermons about tithing. I spoke to my pastor and he agreed that riches and giving was not so much about money as time, love and our lives for God. it is MORE than what the OT taught.

Just like adultery is not just the act, but the impurity of the mind of someone who lusts.

Tithing is not about the money but a heart willing to give everything to God and do His will for His glory and to share His love with the world.

living epistle of Christ is what we are to be: allowing our words and our deed to shine light in the darkness and draw people to God and His love. Letting our hearts overflow with His living waters.
 
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twofeet

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Tithing I think is only mentioned twice in new testament.....and both times is discussing old Test. New Test teaching is "give generously" " dont leave your brothers and sisters in need" that kind of thing. When I gave my life to God.....I gave Him my LIFE...that meant EVERYTHING including my money. It goes where I feel Lord tells me to give and how much He leads me to give. If you sick to tithes, people just give 10% and stop listening to god thinking they have "done their bit". Tithing is part of old law.
 

homwardbound

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Is tithing a requirement, or is this just another OT law, that was nailed to the cross?
There is no mention of tithing in the 10 commandments.
Have churches today become a little like the pharisees who "tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God." (For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.)
There is no tithing in the new Testament we are under a new law a new priesthood and a new covenant were we are no longer under ten%. we are now under the art of giving with a thankful heart, out of compassion not compulsion, out of what we have not what we don't have
2 Corinthians 9:5Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation.
2 Corinthians 9:7So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.
Today it is not about tithes it is about love 2Cor 9 and 10 chapters are very revealing to and about giving out of love wahtever it is youmight have to edify the body of Christ, not always about money
 

gideon007

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as 2Co 9:7 says, Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

in the OT tithing was a law, where they should give a tenth (required) of what they've earned to the Levites and in the NT i think tithe still is required but the percent 'thing' does not matter as what is said on the verse above that God loves a cheerful giver. It doesn't matter if you reach the tenth or got more than that or below that, what matter is that you give it with a cheerful heart. And that you give not to praise yourself but to exalt God.
 

crossnote

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With the new birth it should be a 'want to' not a 'have to'.
 
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CDavid

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as 2Co 9:7 says, Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

in the OT tithing was a law, where they should give a tenth (required) of what they've earned to the Levites and in the NT i think tithe still is required but the percent 'thing' does not matter as what is said on the verse above that God loves a cheerful giver. It doesn't matter if you reach the tenth or got more than that or below that, what matter is that you give it with a cheerful heart. And that you give not to praise yourself but to exalt God.
"i think tithe still is required"
Do you think obeying the 10 commandments is required?
Tithing was a tradition of men. It was a man made law of the book, first started when Abraham gave a tithe to Melchisedech. It is not part of Gods 10 commands, of "justice and the love of God." (For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.)
Or, is there a double standard? Is the OT law of the book, requiring tithe still in effect, while we are free from Gods 4th command to keep the Sabbath?
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for tithing, while ignoring Gods command to honor their fathers and mothers, whom they were leaving in need. Had the Pharisees been breakers of the 4th command to keep the Sabbath, rather than the 5th command to honor their parents, don't you think He would have rebuked them for not keeping the Sabbath? Or, if they were breakers of the command not to steal, or not to kill, or any of the other commands, while keeping man made laws like tithing, don't you think Jesus would have rebuked them.
Isn't tithing one of the laws, from which Paul says we are free?
 
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No.

So no, a million times no.
If you're in a church that insists upon it - you might consider leaving as I doubt you'll find sound advice from Scripture or God in such a place.

There is no need for paid clergy at all in my opinion.
By all means have a collection or allow regular payment for meeting places, heating, welfare or whatever.
But paid clergy? No need.

If you think you need a paid person to lead your church I'd ask why? Are there no people in your group that study the Bible who can pass on or discuss what they have read or thought? That's what the apostles and first disciples did.

The people that have perpetuated this idea of a need for paid clergy are mostly .... the paid clergy.
It goes back to the days when the church went for persecuted little groups to the wealthy and powerful church of the Roman Empire. Since then, through two major divisions, there are people making it clear that "only someone taught in a seminary" can talk to others about God. What nonsense.

The church was once a group of people discussing Christ and the Scriptures.
Now it's about one small group of people telling everyone else what to do and believe - even though we have a Bible for that.
It's often about putting power and control in the hands of a person or a ruling body or even a larger group of churches.

How much did Jesus tithe?
How about James or John or even Paul (who made it clear that when he stayed somewhere a while he would work for his keep)?

Is your church or pastor like Jesus or James or Peter or Paul?
Is your pastor the poorest person in his congregation? If not, how come?

I do ask these questions seriously. I can't add things up so would love someone in such a church (whether it has required tithing or not) to answer because I don't understand.
 
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ladylynn

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I've noticed money is something many of us use to measure our worth and gives us a false security. I'm not speaking for everyone but this is what I've noticed. It's so hard for us to just give it away until we learn God owns it all. He promises to take care of us when we let go of our own scemes and plans and let Him order our daily lives. Tithing is just a good habit to get into about giving without condition. Trusting God to meet our needs even when we can't. Again faith comes in big time when it comes to money, it's a good measure of where our hearts are. Money can represent so much to us like security., status, pride, pleasure, enjoyment., ease, respect from even strangers and so much more.

To be able to count on God the way we have counted on ourselves and the money we make was a major turn in my growth. I'm still learning how to trust God in all things, but giving up my "right" to what I always considered "my" money has been adding to my growth as a christian woman of my age. God blesses us so we can bless others right? :)


 
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Exactly - render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Render unto God what is God's.

Give God you spiritual ALL

Caesar is the world or cash.
Is the church based upon cash? if the answer is anything but no - get yourself a new preacher
or none - and join a church with lay preachers only
 

Angela53510

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I tithe by choice. It reminds me to give, and then give more. But I do not think it is a requirement for New Testament Christians.

This is a very long article called "The Tithe is Illegal". It traces the whole history of giving through the Bible. It is very enlightening. Hope some of you will take the time to read it. And disagree if you want.

The Tithe is Illegal
 
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Gazza21

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Personally, I do try to yes. I don't always do it. But I CHOOSE to do it when I can. I do it because God gives to me, so I give to God. Also the church will not be able to function without the help of the house. Is it commanded though, no. It should be your choice, but if you do give, only give gladly and not do it in legalism. Its personal conviction at the end of the day :)
 
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OceanGrl

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I tithe by choice. It reminds me to give, and then give more. But I do not think it is a requirement for New Testament Christians.

This is a very long article called "The Tithe is Illegal". It traces the whole history of giving through the Bible. It is very enlightening. Hope some of you will take the time to read it. And disagree if you want.

The Tithe is Illegal
Here's another article by John MacArthur that is pretty interesting as well...

God's Plan for Giving, Part 2
 

T_Laurich

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The way I view tithe is this.

Your church is an other family you have, and as of such if your family goes through financial trouble you would want to help them out. We unfortunately don't have the capital to hold such a heavy burden at any given time to just pull it out of pocket. So its like a rainy day fund. If the church ends up going in the red numbers, your family wont be broken apart. Because, as a family you held the church together. Tithe is also used for activities such as a paintball outing, snowboarding as a group, bible study, or helping other people in need. Such as natural disasters... Just my view on tithe.

In my church at least its not like they hoard the money for the pastor to by a new corvette. All if not more usually goes strait back into the church.
 
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BlessedLovedByGod

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everything belongs to God.
its not true that God dont need money. As church people we are required to give our 10%. The money goes for missions, church miscellaneous, food, electricity, necessities, pastors allowance and more.
It is written in the bible 10% tithe but u can give more if u want. I dont know why is it hard for us to give. when we are so blessed. maybe not in terms of money but we never lack of the things that we really needed. we are alive today and that is enough blessing. sometimes we lack of financial but me and my bro can still manage to give our 10% to the church. It may not be big compare to others. But it is our best and it came from our hearts voluntarily.

[h=3]2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV / 940 helpful votes[/h]Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
[h=3]Malachi 3:10 ESV / 598 helpful votes[/h]Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.
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[h=3]Proverbs 11:24[/h]One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want.
 

TheAristocat

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Is tithing a requirement, or is this just another OT law, that was nailed to the cross?
There is no mention of tithing in the 10 commandments.
Have churches today become a little like the pharisees who "tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God." (For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.)
Don't forget. Tithing was only one of the laws on charity God instituted. And I think the tithe belonged to the priests. But you were also supposed to give to the poor. I think the tithe was a minimum level of charity that God instituted. In other words, there are some really stingy people out there, so he made them give at least 10%. But, preferably, I think he wants our whole lives.
 

CS1

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Don't forget. Tithing was only one of the laws on charity God instituted. And I think the tithe belonged to the priests. But you were also supposed to give to the poor. I think the tithe was a minimum level of charity that God instituted. In other words, there are some really stingy people out there, so he made them give at least 10%. But, preferably, I think he wants our whole lives.

Very good question: I believe all that I have belongs to God and I see the money I make as God provided for me and my family's needs. 100 % of all I make is God's but He only asks for 10% and give me 90% that is a more than fair agreement. What many do is take the 90 and try to keep the 10.
 

gideon007

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@ CDAVID


with all due respect Sir and with all honesty i can't find the right word to say it instead of using the word 'tithe', and i stand corrected.


what should it be called then if you give something for the church [may it be financial or anything]?
 
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benAvram

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From stewardshipministries.org:

Tithing in the Old Testament
Old Testament tithing, simply stated, was a tax that the Jews had to pay to underwrite their theocratic nation whose King was God. There were three taxes/tithes they were required to pay.
Tax #1: Every year Jews were required to pay 10% of all their crops, livestock and whatever else they had (Leviticus 27:30-33) – what was called the Levites’ Tithe. Because Israel was a theocracy, the Levites and priests were the government officials that needed to be supported by the citizens of Israel. If you remember, the tribe of Levi received no land as an inheritance. They were only given cities in all the other tribes. The tribes as such were required to support them through this first 10% tax.
Tax #2: This second tax was collected to underwrite the cost of all the festivals and religious ceremonies that were required by Jewish law for Israel to observe (Deuteronomy 14:22-27). This helped underwrite all the national events that Israel celebrated.
Tax #3: This third tax was payable every third year to provide a welfare safety net for the poor in Israel (Deuteronomy 14:28-29).
The Jewish tax system was a flat tax of 23.33%. However, there were still other “taxes” due, like the temple tax (Matthew 17:24). The Jews were also not permitted to harvest their fields to the edges, leaving the corners unharvested as an additional welfare tax to help feed the poor (Leviticus 19:9). The annualized tax a Jew would be required to pay might total about 25%.
So, the Old Testament tithes were the taxation system used to underwrite Israel’s national expenses.

Leviticus 27:30-33 (10% for the Levitical system)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]‘Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s; it is holy to the Lord. [SUP]31 [/SUP]If, therefore, a man wishes to redeem part of his tithe, he shall add to it one-fifth of it. [SUP]32 [/SUP]For every tenth part of herd or flock, whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord. [SUP]33 [/SUP]He is not to be concerned whether it is good or bad, nor shall he exchange it; or if he does exchange it, then both it and its substitute shall become holy. It shall not be redeemed.’”

Deuteronomy 14:22-27 (10% for the Holy Days)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“You shall surely tithe all the produce from what you sow, which comes out of the field every year. [SUP]23 [/SUP]You shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. [SUP]24 [/SUP]If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you, [SUP]25 [/SUP]then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses. [SUP]26 [/SUP]You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Also you shall not neglect the Levite who is in your town, for he has no portion or inheritance among you.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 (10% every 3 years for the poor)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit it in your town. [SUP]29 [/SUP]The Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance among you, and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town, shall come and eat and be satisfied, in order that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.
 
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wdeaton65

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YES go down to your local store and find people HUNGRY and cold and take care of there needs what ever they may be.
Giving to some guy standing behind a pulpit waking up at the crack of noon. The same guy that has signed that 501c3 deal from HELL no way.
You would be better off helping the needy in your area. Make sure you find your brothers and sisters in the LORD and help them first. Remember Peter and John had no silver and gold but they had the real power of GOD. They all had real jobs to none of those 501c3 guys are going to teach you about that. Perhaps there better than Paul.