suppose 50.00001% of your state votes one way, and 49.99999% votes the other.
considering the popular vote, the votes of 49.99999% of its population are relevant.
however with the electoral college system, 49.99999% of the votes in your state may as well have not even been counted; they don't affect the outcome of the election at all.
The system is fair despite the word popular vote for example. Let us look at a few facts about New York City.
With a July 2015 population of 8,550,405, New York is the most populous city in the United States, more than twice the size of the second largest city, Los Angeles.
About 1 in every 38 people living in the United States resides in New York City.
New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile.
New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states.
New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State’s entire population.
The system is fair despite the word popular vote for example. Let us look at a few facts about New York City.
With a July 2015 population of 8,550,405, New York is the most populous city in the United States, more than twice the size of the second largest city, Los Angeles.
About 1 in every 38 people living in the United States resides in New York City.
New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile.
New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states.
New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State’s entire population.
you're essentially suggesting it's unfair for 8.5 million votes to be counted, simply on the basis of where in the country those citzens with voting rights happen to live.
the whole world is immoral, and democratic selection of leaders isn't Biblical to begin with.
you're essentially suggesting it's unfair for 8.5 million votes to be counted, simply on the basis of where in the country those citzens with voting rights happen to live.
the whole world is immoral, and democratic selection of leaders isn't Biblical to begin with.
No they get a representative based on population and vote. It gives everyone a voice. Ruled by the majority was feared by the founding fathers as majority would often oppress the minority. Thomas Jefferson who penned the Constitution and was present in the deliberations had this to say.
Thomas Jefferson Quote "The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution."
The electoral college is part of the checks and balances in our Republic. Without it we would no longer be a Republic.
the whole world is immoral, and democratic selection of leaders isn't Biblical to begin with.
Then why do you care about the voting process? Why be involved with an anti-Biblical process?
By your reasoning as a Christian why do you care?
I for one disagree that political activities are not supported Biblically. I believe they are through moral responsibilities. So I have objective justification to care.
Where as yours if not Biblically supported, is only subjective.
i didn't say political activity isn't supported in scripture -- i said democracy isn't. Christ is a King, not an elected representative serving at the will of the mob.
my vote doesn't matter, because, electoral college. i don't vote along the same lines as the majority of my state's gerrymandered districts, so my vote is completely irrelevant. you don't even dispute it. i may as well abstain except maybe i want to add to the meaningless statistic of 'actual popular vote count'
the complete nullification of my vote is a result of two things: gerrymandering & electoral college system. if true democracy is undesirable, as you say, then my comment is simply that the electoral college system results in the voice of many people going unheard. that, you don't dispute either - in fact you cite Jefferson as feeling the same way: the voice of people who live in large cities should be counted as less than the people they are.
is that Biblical?
no -- neither popular majority nor majority of district is. we don't have a Biblical form of government either way; no nation ever has apart from Israel before they rejected God as their king, and no nation ever will -- until the whole earth is made subject to Him ((which won't be according to anyone's vote but according to the truth of who He is))
it's fine you have views about worldly politics. i just don't think you should pretend they have any sort of basis in Christianity.
i didn't say political activity isn't supported in scripture -- i said democracy isn't. Christ is a King, not an elected representative serving at the will of the mob.
my vote doesn't matter, because, electoral college. i don't vote along the same lines as the majority of my state's gerrymandered districts, so my vote is completely irrelevant. you don't even dispute it. i may as well abstain except maybe i want to add to the meaningless statistic of 'actual popular vote count'
the complete nullification of my vote is a result of two things: gerrymandering & electoral college system. if true democracy is undesirable, as you say, then my comment is simply that the electoral college system results in the voice of many people going unheard. that, you don't dispute either - in fact you cite Jefferson as feeling the same way: the voice of people who live in large cities should be counted as less than the people they are.
is that Biblical?
no -- neither popular majority nor majority of district is. we don't have a Biblical form of government either way; no nation ever has apart from Israel before they rejected God as their king, and no nation ever will -- until the whole earth is made subject to Him ((which won't be according to anyone's vote but according to the truth of who He is))
it's fine you have views about worldly politics. i just don't think you should pretend they have any sort of basis in Christianity.
i didn't say political activity isn't supported in scripture -- i said democracy isn't. Christ is a King, not an elected representative serving at the will of the mob.
The Bible gives good and bad examples of government and God ordained governments.
my vote doesn't matter, because, electoral college. i don't vote along the same lines as the majority of my state's gerrymandered districts, so my vote is completely irrelevant. you don't even dispute it. i may as well abstain except maybe i want to add to the meaningless statistic of 'actual popular vote count'
Your vote is counted in your states popular vote for your states representatives. Your views must not have popular support. The popular vote is still technically part of the Electoral College.
National Popular Vote isn't found in the Constitution and would need an amendment. That would give cities on only certain location the only places political candidates would need to visit in order to win. All the fly over states our small counties will basically be forgotten.
Here is a video to help you understand.
Here is why a Constitutional Republic was chosen over a Democracy.
John Adams-
I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either. … Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.
National Popular Vote isn't found in the Constitution and would need an amendment. That would give cities on only certain location the only places political candidates would need to visit in order to win. All the fly over states our small counties will basically be forgotten.
no -- neither popular majority nor majority of district is. we don't have a Biblical form of government either way; no nation ever has apart from Israel before they rejected God as their king, and no nation ever will -- until the whole earth is made subject to Him ((which won't be according to anyone's vote but according to the truth of who He is))
Romans 13
New International Version Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Not only does this provide the reason but also the example of good government. We equally learn from the Torah Biblical examples of government despite the ceremonial laws. We also see in judges the role of proper judgement. And in both Kings and Chronicles we see good vs bad examples of government if you study this like the American founding fathers then you will see how our system came to be. It was blessed by God and millions came to faith by its prosperity, security, and actions around the world.
