Recent content by JBTN

  1. J

    Spiritual Baptism

    If the circumcision happens at water baptism, then it is a circumcision made with hands isn’t it? If it happens at water baptism, and water baptism is required, then it would never happen without water baptism and hands would always be involved.
  2. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    If it doesn’t make sense to discuss the natural birth in John 3 then shouldn’t this verse have been left out. ”That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.3.6.KJV You can see the tie to 1...
  3. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    There is a lengthy discussion about the two births in 1 Corinthians 15. ”it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit...
  4. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    I didn’t make any of this up. I didn’t write Ephesians 1:13. I also didn’t use the phrase immersed into Christ as found in Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says this: ”For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or...
  5. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    Yes, I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God. Also, Mark 16:16 is consistent with what I believe. If you believe that a person is immersed into Christ by the Holy Spirit upon belief like Ephesians 1:13 says, that is a baptism. It also helps to understand why baptism isn’t mentioned...
  6. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    Sorry didn’t mean to rail. Since you prefer not to reject the Bible’s doctrines, I suppose you would agree that anyone who believes in Jesus has already been born again as 1 John 5:1 very succinctly says. If so, how does it fit within your beliefs on water baptism. I ask only because I...
  7. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    The Romans 6 passage also says immersed into Christ, not into water. In Acts 19:5 the Greek word for baptized is ebaptisthesan. According to what I have found it is an aorist indicative passive verb. It refers to an action that has already happened. So, when verse 5 says ”When they heard...
  8. J

    What if you die before water baptism?

    ”Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.“ ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV 1 John 5:1 has to be true as well. If you simply translate baptized in Galatians 3:26 it...
  9. J

    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    I understand the following verses. It still doesn’t change the statement in 1 John 5:1. Everyone who believes has been born of God. It’s already happened. Verse 13 makes it even clearer. I don’t dispute that those who are saved will seek to keep his commandments. That’s all the following...
  10. J

    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    Think about 1 John 5:1. “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV If everyone who believes has already been born of God, it is...
  11. J

    Is Baptism in water a work or a command? Is it necessary for salvation?

    “(which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings (baptismois in Greek), regulations for the body imposed until the time of...
  12. J

    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    Everyone who believes is immersed/baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit. “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV...
  13. J

    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV
  14. J

    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    “And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish...
  15. J

    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV