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    Understanding God’s election

    Are you saying that because Christ died for everyone, the results for everyone are the same and there are no conditions that determine the results?
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    Understanding God’s election

    I won't have any problem if we discover at some time in the future that God's love happens to be unconditional. I am simply saying that the claim is not evidenced in scripture, so I don't have any reason to affirm it. Why is it so important to you that I bow to your opinion on the matter? And...
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    Understanding God’s election

    PaulThomson said: conditional adjective 1. that only happens if something else is done or happens first My college admission is conditional on my getting good marks in the exams. Opposite: unconditional 2. grammar describing a situation that must exist before something else can happen. A...
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    everything is predestined?

    I have looked at the word translated as "before" in that text (בְּטֶרֶם B-TeReM ) and at the other places it is used in the old testament. It does not appear to mean "before" but rather " while yet" when used with an imperfect Hebrew verb form and "just as" when used with a perfect Hebrew verb...
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    If sin is not imputed without the law, how can some claim that babies and children die because Adam's sin is imputed to them?

    How many meanings can be inferred from that arrangement of words? More than one, depending on the meanings one puts into the words "sinned" and "death", and "into" and "all men".
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    Understanding God’s election

    Good. so, we can see that among the posters here there is a wide range of beliefs about whether God's love is unconditional or not. So how does one arrive at a Biblical perspective on which i correct. I would suggest that considering what scripture actually says about what of God's love does is...
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    Understanding God’s election

    I have three adult children of my own. But it is still possible that I do not know what loving one's own children is like.
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    Understanding God’s election

    I recommend The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. He will help you understand just how readily we are able to invent arguments in support of out prejudices, and how much in our posts can be merely automatic irrational post hoc justifications driven by disgust at the assumed wickedness of...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Some people see themselves as teachers, and see teachers as lords that the pupils must accommodate, or go away. Biblically, teachers are servant-hearted and accommodate the needs of the students. They do what they can to make understanding easier for willing learners. We shall see, relatively...
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    Understanding God’s election

    If what you are saying is true, then God does not love you. He only loves whatever is of Christ in you. He only loves Himself, because the only one He sees as worthy of His love is Himself. That is not the God the Bible describes. 1Jo 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid...
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    Understanding God’s election

    You obviously do not love your own children unconditionally, because you do not love all children with the same love as you have for your own children. You love children more if they are your own children. That is a conditional love. God's love for creatures is the same kind of love for every...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Provide in whatever manner you wish, the full verses you are referencing, and don't post only verse references. If you don't care enough about other posters to do that, people may eventually may find it easier just put you on ignore, rather than invest time in reading your posts only to find we...
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    Understanding God’s election

    If God does not love satan, then His love is conditional.
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    Understanding God’s election

    PaulThomson said: Well, I guess we agree. If we use your definition of ?unconditional love", God's love is unconditional. If we use my definition of "conditional love", God's love is conditional. So, does God unconditionally love satan, by your standards? Can you please give a reasonable...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Could you please show some degree of respect, and cut and past the verses you are listing. It is very rude of you to make others do all the work you should be putting in. Maybe, if you post the actual wording of the verses, everyone will immediately be able to see that they don't say what you...