Recent content by randyk

It's fine to do a word study. But the critical element is context. No context for a Rapture of the Church to heaven in this particular use of "taken." Luke 17.35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where...

This isn't personal for me. I'm speaking of the truth. I wouldn't call the historic Church's eschatology "error* and then call your own time-limited belief superior. Unwise, in my view.

The principle of "taken and left" are in both past and future judgments. Each time many are killed or exiled, and others are left as slaves. The Olivet Discourse looks at the 70 AD judgment in light of the 2nd Coming. That judgment (70 AD) would only be the start of an age-long jdgment...

That is patently false. Postrib is the traditional rendering of the Church, far, far before there was any such thing as Pretribulationism!

We return from heaven with Christ. The point is, we are not "traveling" up to heaven. We are snatched abruptly and instantly, and we are instantly with Christ, glorified, in order to return with him. It is an "instant" Rapture, and not a trip up into the sky. I have a problem with your...

Both the "taken" and the "left" are Jews who are being judged for rejecting Christ and remaining in Jerusalem to defy Rome. Some are taken to their death or into exile. Those "left" are left to manage agricultural fields for Roman soldiers. It is *all* judgment. There is no Rapture in this, in...

You may not wish to ask the question, but I do: Does Revelation depict the entire earth as perishing, or just 1/4 or 1/3? And I would ask, does Antichrist reign in just one part of the earth, in Europe, or is he omnipresent like God executing people everywhere on earth who reject him? My...

My point was that this was not to be characterized as a time consuming journey. That is how "U Turn" would be used, as if you went on a journey in one direction, and then suddenely had to do a "U Turn," turn around and come back. This isn't how it will take place, and that's not how I've...

As I said, a near timeless upward movement is hardly travel as in a "U Turn." Your characterization is wrong-headed, in my opinion.

The Antichrist does *not* kill all on earth who refuse the mark. He kills all who in his presence refuse to take the mark. The Antichrist is not omnipresent like God. He has a temporal kingdom on earth, and it will be located, I think, in Europe, in the midst of 10 nations. That's where those...

Your characterization of it as a "U Turn" is a joke. The Bible depicts Christ's coming as a coming to earth, a revelatioin to the entire world. The saints join him in his descent. Simple--no "U Turns" necessary. No travel time, unless you call "instant" something akin to "travel time?" We are...

Sorry, I think when Jesus' Return is depicted like lightning, it is taking on the various characteristics of lightning, which involves things like its suddenness, or speed. To separate out only certain characteristics would require that characteristic to be identified as exclusive in the...

GaryA said: "No - we do not know that Christ will "return like lightning"..." Matt 24.27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Luke 17.24 For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights...

Hey Gary, I thought you were going to give me an enormous Pretrib outline--we've all seen Prophetic Calendars in exquisite detail! ;) I've had my own in the past! Anyway, I checked out your outline. Here is a conversation I had with someone yesterday on a different forum. We certainly agree on...

I've forgotten how we even got into this conversation? ;) Great!!