Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.

blue_ladybug · Mar 22, 2017

It's not that I don't want to live long, it's that I have lived for so long in pain that death will be a welcome relief.. And I've never told anyone else that THEY won't get healed in this lifetime.. I have only stated that on MY behalf. But look at some of the examples that have been given here. PennEd told of a guy who went for healing, and had to have his leg amputated. I've had elders lay hands on me, and it didn't work.

And the people here who ask for healing. Angela, Blain, Lynn, Desertsrose, to name a few.. THEY haven't been healed. Maybe if you could explain to us why some people DO get healed and others DON'T, then it might be easier to understand. If God truly wants us all healed, physically that is, then why doesn't He do it? Is it because He DOES heal us, if not physically, then maybe He heals our emotional or mental or spiritual ills?

And I'm not annoyed at you. Ben has a habit of insulting people when it comes to their faith and belief in being healed or not. I'm sure he doesn't do it intentionally, but it's how he comes across every time..

South_FLA said:

PeterJens · Mar 22, 2017

Lazarus as sign of resurrection power

Meanwhile a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was there and came, not only because of him but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. So the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well, for on account of him many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and believing in him.
John 12:9-11

It is often said if the Lord healed people massively then lots of people would come
to follow Him. There is truth that some for a short time get swayed to follow, yet
fall away later. The rest stay as they are, because rebellion is about the heart
and how we lock love away, and refuse to reach out to God, not about the obviousness
of His presence. Look at Israel to see how temporary peoples care is to the obvious
presence of the King. For many it is just having an important neighbour who they now
want to manipulate.

Healing is a gift of grace, and the healing does not prove Gods love to us, but rather
it often limits our presumption. What is deemed to happen and already is, why should
it be changed or brought about by an intervention of God? Will it be better as a result
or just the same? What do we hold higher, the removal of challenges or conquering them?

South_FLA · Mar 22, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Perfectly said. That is really what I think. God heals people in different ways. I really believe that sometimes God does not heal people physically to use it for his glory, because he wants to show people how a person can be really messed up but still love God and have the utmost respect for him.

And believe me I did not mean that you went around telling people that they won't get healed. I don't remember you saying something like that. Although, I did want to tell you through this that you shouldn't think God won't heal you because you are still young and there's a good chance he will do it. He might not, I know! We all know God likes to see people suffer for him but he has great rewards for them on earth and not just heaven. Like physical healing!

I tell God all the time I wanna die. Because I don't like earth life. God knows how much I despise the earth. I honestly have a little fear of becoming a dad even though that will probably happen lol I wanna go to heaven and be with God as fast as possible trust me. We're on the same page with that.

And people gotta lay off Ben he's a good dude.

.. I do think sometimes some people don't get blessed because they think God won't give it to them.

JosephsDreams · Mar 22, 2017

BenFTW said:

Why do you feel that you must be a part of the some, that don't get healed? Does not this belief reflect upon one's heart? If I believe in God's healing, I very well may believe it for others but what about for myself? If you are confessing with your mouth that you are a part of the some that don't get healed, and thats what you've accepted in your heart, how is it that you profess faith for healing?

That may sound direct, but its the same case as with Depleted. Except she just outright said it, about whether she'll be healed in this life time or not. Her words? "Nope." You, however, are not so blunt as to just admit that you've lost hope. I am choosing my words carefully because I don't wish to offend, I am trying my best to be gentle because this topic is one that is sensitive.

In the past you and I have gone done this road, and discussed this. The difference between hope and faith. If you've accepted your, alleged, fate of not being healed in this life and then profess to all that God doesn't heal everyone, why would you so rip hope out of others? What message are you portraying of God, and what hope have you blown out? If God doesn't heal all and this is what you confess, to the person seeking healing they then have no assurance. They only have hope and we've discussed this. While hope is at times sufficient, faith is what is proficient (to get results).

You feel that there is no promise of healing, that it is something that is dependent upon God's present mercy as opposed to His established will. I cannot agree with this, except to say that God does have His timing and purposes. I believe healing, just like salvation, is available to all. There can be many factors involved here, reasons as to why a person isn't healed. Whether its their fault or not, the correct position is to have compassion. To be meek.

My question to you is, have you lost hope? Do you think God will heal you in this life time? If your answer is no, I must ask another question. Where is your faith? I say this in love, honestly. Don't lose hope. God is faithful and good. Persevere.

It is true that positive thinking is conducive to a higher level of living. But there is also a reality we have to face. You can't name and claim everything. There is a physical reality. We do not make our own truth, despite what the liberals my say.
It is good to believe and have faith, but we also have to understand that God is not obligated to heal us, and indeed, statistically the odds are He will not.
What the balance between having a hop and positive mindset and the reality of the situation is, I do not know.

JosephsDreams · Mar 22, 2017

God has use a six year physical sickness (and then a healing) to bring me close to Him, and a spiritual dearth to bring me even closer to Him. Looking back, both times it is what I needed.

BenFTW · Mar 22, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

And you.. You just love ticking me off..

No I have not lost hope. Yes I do believe that God MAY heal me in this lifetime, but as I just said to South, chances are He won't. Now let me ask you this: why do you refuse to believe that God will not heal everyone in this lifetime? As far as Lynn goes, well she's what? 60 some odd years old? MUCH older than I am, so therefore has had much longer at not experiencing healing in her lifetiime yet.. I don't know what part of immortals in a mortal world, that you don't understand. If God healed all of us today, that's what we'd be: perfect immortals in an evil corrupt world. But that's not part of His plan for us. I suggest you read Penns post a few times.

Why won't you believe that God uses those whom He chooses not to heal, to better bring Him glory than a healthy person can do? A healthy person doesn't have to say thank you to God. They just trot around and go about their lives. It's the sick people who constantly give thanks to God.

I give thanks for being able to get my garbage out, to check my mail, do laundry, to do ANYTHING that I have to do while my back is in agony. I give thanks for even being able to get up outta bed in the morning. I was stuck in bed for a year and a half 24/7, so getting up is a real achievement..

So yes, if God chooses not to heal me, I'm okay with that. I don't like it, but I'm okay with it. To God be the glory.

LOL Blue, I was just waiting for that. "And you..."

You know I mean well.

BenFTW · Mar 22, 2017

JosephsDreams said:

The reality is that all things are possible with God.

The balance is not denial of the present moment but acceptance that God can set you free. Not only can He, but it is His good pleasure to do so.

blue_ladybug · Mar 22, 2017

Yes Ben, I know you mean well.

BenFTW said:

BenFTW · Mar 22, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

I've come to this understanding. People can have any size of faith possible, but it is useless for them if they cannot utilize it. What I mean, before you chop off my head (lol), is that if faith only works when one understands and believes God's will on a matter, then ignorance to His will then robs them of utilizing their more than adequate faith.

So if a person doesn't believe it is God's will to heal them, how can they have faith He will? Do you see my dilemma? I do not deny what you're saying about God using all situations for His glory and to show people that no matter a situation there are examples of people that remain faithful to God. It shows their strength and more importantly God's hand in holding you.

Its beautiful, in some ways, and also unfortunate but some people are martyrs for God (for example). I am not denying that at different times in history the Lord has used a person's suffering (though He isn't the cause of it) for His glory, to bring people to Christ, or to build their faith.

Please know that I am not denying that God has used you to encourage others. That, I understand, can infuriate you and that is not what I am saying. I am simply encouraging you to seek the Lord's will on the matter. To not lose hope, to not give up on the possibility that you could be healed this day. Is that so wrong?

God bless.

South_FLA · Mar 23, 2017

JosephsDreams said:

Happy for you man. Its always nice to hear when a Christian gets healed.

PeterJens · Mar 23, 2017

Healing is not the highest thing in the realms of God.

Entering into eternity and His will is our greatest desire and ambition.
The people who have been given an unbounded measure of healing outflow
were people who were witnessing to the truth and authority of the words they
were bringing from the Lord.

Unbelief in communion with the Lord brings us to believe is we could perform
such healings people would turn to him. But this is not true.

Look at Egypt and all the Lord did there. They stayed in their lives and faith,
even though terrible things had happened, it did not turn them to God.

And when you get close to the Lord rather than simple answers, there is a burden
of the lostness of most and their aimless lives, striving after wealth and fame,
while failing hopelessly and selling their souls and life in the process.

So often this striving after healing is striving after fame and purpose, and solving
simple immediate issues which are being blamed for holding people back.

So seek the will of the Lord and find His heart and you will see the way ahead.

JosephsDreams · Mar 23, 2017

PeterJens said:

It is true. I am speaking generally here, there are definitely exceptions, when the mind, body and spirit are all operating at peak, they tend to compliment each other.

No one can convince me that a body in chemical, electro-magnetic and vibrational balance will not benefit and help to foster a higher spiritual awareness.

I know I have experienced that. Also many other Christians that follow a higher standard of lifestyle have too.

blue_ladybug · Mar 23, 2017

What about your parents, Joseph? I saw your post about your mom. She has cancer, and your dad died of cancer some years ago, if I recall correctly. Where was the healing for him? How are/were their lifestyles and diets?

JosephsDreams · Mar 23, 2017

My dad died Dec. 2016. The last 15 years of his life his diet was a bit better then the average American diet, but not near to a level of biological healing.
I think if he ate better he may have lived another 10 years or so, but who really knows? I am just basing that on my (limited) observations with people I have dealt with and the conversations I have had with others that are in the same field.

For about the last 7 years my mom's diet is slightly better then my dads was. But again, not at a level of biological healing.

I sometimes get tired of talking about nutrition, asking people to consider the science and Gods word about it, to be transparent. I know a healthier diet does generally prolong life by anywhere from around 10% to as much as maybe 30%. I also know that those extra years are coupled with a much higher level then then average of physical health.

Believe it or not, I do not like to impose on people. All I am trying to do here is present Christians with info so they can then make a educated and prayerful choice. trust me, it does not bother me when people make a educated decision, what ever it is. It is their life. Free will and Gods will. I will admit though that it sometimes frustrates me and bewilders me when Christians make uninformed choices, especially when Gods people should be the most informed and among the wisest people in the world.

Beyond that, yeah, we are all gonna die. You don't think I sometimes don't think Lord, take me home? I am going to be 58 next month. Not old, but you get to an age where you see enough of life and see how people are and realize how fallen this world is.

My Christian calling, raising my kids, some other family members, trying to help others through diet...if it was not for that, I would not care much to even be here.

I just figure while I am here, why not be as healthy as I can? I do not like aches and pains, I like a good nights sleep - my dreams are better then most movies I see - and I get frustrated when I can not use my body in ways I did 20 years ago (thankfully that does not often happen).

I came on this site to be among Christian's, it is only the second site I have ever been on, the first being a site about a hobby I do. The second reason was to try and tell Christians about diet and lifestyle, based on biblical principals and Gods natural laws. I keep saying it, because I am here offering this stuff up for free, some people think it is cheap info. Yet when I was seeing clients, I was paid a decent fee and many people thanked God that they were referred to me, or found me on the internet. The sicker they were the better they were grateful for the gift of health through natural and sustainable modalities. No more awful side effects of meds that were killing them more then they were allowing them to live in a "normal" fashion.

I can understand the world not following them or believing in them, but to many Christians are ignorant of them and it is cutting down ministries, among other sad manifestation's.

oldethennew · Mar 23, 2017

Not old, but you get to an age where you see enough of life and see how people are
and realize how fallen this world is.

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this can 'never' be a reason to 'leave', for it is always about/for, 'God's Will and our Love for Him...

South_FLA · Mar 26, 2017

Proverbs 4:20-22

My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.
For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

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