Whitney Houstons Daughter,From the Church to the Drug Dealer

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I know most people will think this belongs in the family section.But I wanted to discuss how one can tell their children to live right while not doing so themselves and how your witness affects your children.The award winning singer lost her life to drugs and now it seems her daughter will do the same.She was found in the same manner her mother was,in a bathtub,unconscious.

Houston began her singing in the church.She was surrounded by a family of believers.Yet she chose to take the path of fame with led her to drugs.Not every singer goes on drugs so lets not derail the thread on that subject.Her example to her daughter was a life filled with drama and drugs.Now her daughter has followed the very same path.So my point is that when as a parent you say "do as I say,not as I do" it doesn't work.If children are brought up in a home of divorce are they not more likely to be divorced? If brought up in abuse,more likely to abuse or be abused? Do we not understand that the legacy we leave behind,the footsteps,will be what your children follow? I wonder if we do see.

My sister married a "Christian" man that was emotionally abusive to her.He did everything but hit her.When she had her first child I told her "that child cannot walk away,he didn't ask for this,you can walk away."I advised her to separate so he understood she was serious about the abuse.But she felt the kids were too young to be affected by it.Finally her husband got help for his temper and is on meds to control it.The youngest began having trouble with violent temper tantrums and the oldest has anxiety issues.The drama in your life,the sin you dont deal with directly affects your children.At least thats what I believe.So what do you think? Any opinions?
 
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Train up a child in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it........!
 
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Train up a child in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it........!
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Yes,that is true.But my point along with that is that if you as a parent aren't living it,how do you expect your children will?
 
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Yes,that is true.But my point along with that is that if you as a parent aren't living it,how do you expect your children will?
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I used to hear..."Do as I say, not as I do".....I grew up in a house where my mother and 3rd step dad did not attend church, were drunks, smoked cigarettes and threw wild parties on a regular basis......I do none of those things my (parents) did...Why?......Because greater is he that is in me than he that is in the earth........I was in church till about from 6 to 11, and had a little foundation in the truth...while it is true I stumbled and fell after the Marine Corp a bit with drugs and those things that goes with drugs I had a foundation of truth and conviction that brought me back to God......

The flip side is the fact that I know Pastors and Preachers in numerous states and a handful of countries and some of them have raised their kids in the most godly situations that you could find under the sun to only see them fall away, leave the Lord and end up living like the devil......

God is great and can accomplish anything with someone who is willing, but at the end of the day....people will go the way people choose to go regardless of their upbringing.......if they have a foundation of faith their (odds) are a lot better for sure, but there are a lot of variables and evils to overcome in this word for sure......
 
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This is just one more example of what liberalism has done to us. Peer pressure, young and old, used to control these things, to a point.
Someone with this kind of behavior would have been shunned, rejected, by most people. But now we're told we don't have the right to judge, that people should be allowed to do what they want, regardless of how it affects others.
Instead of preventing this sort of thing with appropriate punishment, we now wait until their actions cost us all.
This is what we get when we call wrong right and right wrong.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I know most people will think this belongs in the family section.But I wanted to discuss how one can tell their children to live right while not doing so themselves and how your witness affects your children.The award winning singer lost her life to drugs and now it seems her daughter will do the same.She was found in the same manner her mother was,in a bathtub,unconscious.

Houston began her singing in the church.She was surrounded by a family of believers.Yet she chose to take the path of fame with led her to drugs.Not every singer goes on drugs so lets not derail the thread on that subject.Her example to her daughter was a life filled with drama and drugs.Now her daughter has followed the very same path.So my point is that when as a parent you say "do as I say,not as I do" it doesn't work.If children are brought up in a home of divorce are they not more likely to be divorced? If brought up in abuse,more likely to abuse or be abused? Do we not understand that the legacy we leave behind,the footsteps,will be what your children follow? I wonder if we do see.

My sister married a "Christian" man that was emotionally abusive to her.He did everything but hit her.When she had her first child I told her "that child cannot walk away,he didn't ask for this,you can walk away."I advised her to separate so he understood she was serious about the abuse.But she felt the kids were too young to be affected by it.Finally her husband got help for his temper and is on meds to control it.The youngest began having trouble with violent temper tantrums and the oldest has anxiety issues.The drama in your life,the sin you dont deal with directly affects your children.At least thats what I believe.So what do you think? Any opinions?
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What we want our children to do is the same as what God wants us to do. But like us, God also gave our children freewill. They get to choose what to do,yes, sounds familiar, exactly like us. God loved us first and we saw it yet some of us do not love Him back. Just like our children, we raise them good but sometimes they choose another path.

So, God gave us His Words to guide us, why don't we give our children those Words to lead them, eh

Deuteronomy 6:6-9(NKJV)

6 “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. 7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. 9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.


 
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Be not deceived God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth of that shall he reap. If you sow to the whirlwind you are going to reap destruction.

There are consequences for everything we do. Some are grave and some are eternal.

For the cause of Christ
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Wow! This thread shows a COMPLETE lack of love! You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. This isn't christian at all! Wait... Maybe now it is.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I know most people will think this belongs in the family section.But I wanted to discuss how one can tell their children to live right while not doing so themselves and how your witness affects your children.The award winning singer lost her life to drugs and now it seems her daughter will do the same.She was found in the same manner her mother was,in a bathtub,unconscious.

Houston began her singing in the church.She was surrounded by a family of believers.Yet she chose to take the path of fame with led her to drugs.Not every singer goes on drugs so lets not derail the thread on that subject.Her example to her daughter was a life filled with drama and drugs.Now her daughter has followed the very same path.So my point is that when as a parent you say "do as I say,not as I do" it doesn't work.If children are brought up in a home of divorce are they not more likely to be divorced? If brought up in abuse,more likely to abuse or be abused? Do we not understand that the legacy we leave behind,the footsteps,will be what your children follow? I wonder if we do see.

My sister married a "Christian" man that was emotionally abusive to her.He did everything but hit her.When she had her first child I told her "that child cannot walk away,he didn't ask for this,you can walk away."I advised her to separate so he understood she was serious about the abuse.But she felt the kids were too young to be affected by it.Finally her husband got help for his temper and is on meds to control it.The youngest began having trouble with violent temper tantrums and the oldest has anxiety issues.The drama in your life,the sin you dont deal with directly affects your children.At least thats what I believe.So what do you think? Any opinions?
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I wish the title were different.
 
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I think in Whitneys case not everyone in her family was a believer. Her mother was a staunch Christian but her dad actually cheated on her mother and they DID divorce. Whitney took after her father she was a daddys girl even though he broke her heart and scammed her.

It is difficult when parents are unequally yoked, and with Whitneys oil and water marriage that was a confusing path for her daughter to follow too. However theres evidence that Whitney stayed close to the Lord even with all her struggles.

Its very sad how her life was cut short and her gift was taken from her. But thats the thing. we do reap what we sow. Let it be a lesson

I really dont know how those in the entertainment and music industry can totally avoid the tempatations of drug culture that were rife at the time. So many wealthy were doing cocaine in the 80s they were just giving it away, plus they all had doctors that prescribed drugs as medicine. There are too many dead of substance abuse to list.
 
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the truth of the subject is very current.
 
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shittim said:
the truth of the subject is very current.
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Agree.

kaylagrl said:
So my point is that when as a parent you say "do as I say,not as I do" it doesn't work.
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True.

What should be said is; "Do as I am going to do, not as I have done."

With the Lord's help, we can leave the past behind.
 
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Agree.


True.

What should be said is; "Do as I am going to do, not as I have done."

With the Lord's help, we can leave the past behind.
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I think parents would do a lot a better by being honest with their struggles and how they are trying or overcoming. I think kids would respect that more.
 
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Well, thats sad.
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It is. 😔
I apologize for spelling her name wrong.


Also, her drug dealer Max Lomas, who supposedly found her body in the tub, told police he'd seen Gordon cleaning what looked like blood off the stairs leading up to that bathroom, yet Mr. Lomas wasn't considered credible by police due to his record, is dead of a drug overdose now too.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I know most people will think this belongs in the family section.But I wanted to discuss how one can tell their children to live right while not doing so themselves and how your witness affects your children.The award winning singer lost her life to drugs and now it seems her daughter will do the same.She was found in the same manner her mother was,in a bathtub,unconscious.

Houston began her singing in the church.She was surrounded by a family of believers.Yet she chose to take the path of fame with led her to drugs.Not every singer goes on drugs so lets not derail the thread on that subject.Her example to her daughter was a life filled with drama and drugs.Now her daughter has followed the very same path.So my point is that when as a parent you say "do as I say,not as I do" it doesn't work.If children are brought up in a home of divorce are they not more likely to be divorced? If brought up in abuse,more likely to abuse or be abused? Do we not understand that the legacy we leave behind,the footsteps,will be what your children follow? I wonder if we do see.

My sister married a "Christian" man that was emotionally abusive to her.He did everything but hit her.When she had her first child I told her "that child cannot walk away,he didn't ask for this,you can walk away."I advised her to separate so he understood she was serious about the abuse.But she felt the kids were too young to be affected by it.Finally her husband got help for his temper and is on meds to control it.The youngest began having trouble with violent temper tantrums and the oldest has anxiety issues.The drama in your life,the sin you dont deal with directly affects your children.At least thats what I believe.So what do you think? Any opinions?
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"Bad company corrupts good morals".(1 Corinthians 15:33) And marriage is as close as company gets. My daughter's situation is not quite as dramatic - yet. The kids are too young to be independent. I've seen way too many men play at being Christian until they get the girl. Then the real man stands up. The girl chooses the man over her Christian life (which indicates that she also was not serious in the first place) and she drifts away herself.
 
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I dont know if Bobby Brown had any affiliation with any church but wonder if the tragedies made him any closer to God.

Sometimes you dont know what God can do in the end. Plus you can still pray for him.

The movie I wanna Dance with Somebody is out now thats why I bought up this thread. At least her incredible voice lives on the records.

Amy Winehouses family set up a fund to support young singers after she died. I dont know what the Houston estate is doing with her legacy. They may not have funds but they still have all her music which is a treasure.

Whitney did sing gospel, and her favourite song was Jesus Loves Me. She insisted that it be in the Bodyguard movie.
 
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You do have to take it back to Cissy and Johns marriage because there was conflict there.

Cissy would say one thing and train her daughter up for showbiz and John would do something else. They each mantained a facade of a loving married couple until Johns cheating came to light. Whitney grew up in that environment of being lied to by her father. That has go to affect her, also, she was molested by family members AND her brother introduced her to drugs.

Church was just one part of her life that was a safe haven but it didnt mean all her family were believers. While she grew up baptists, she did go to a catholic girls school and we do know that catholics have a different take on Jesus. From what I know Whitney was genuine about her relationship with the Lord but would deceive herself with her relationship with others who did not share her faith.
 
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