Oh goody another OSAS thread!

.................. Someone who has repented, no longer WANTS to sin, although they will struggle with sin their entire Christian life, to one degree or another. However, when they DO sin, it does not result in God rescinding all His promises about their security in Christ.

Do you present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God?

I run across many poor people in the state of California, I’ve not done as much as I could, but honestly we can always do more. However one thing I do strive for is rejoice always, pray always, and always be thankful, these are things I can do anytime regardless of what comes my way or not. Scripture teaches whether word or deed we do it all to the Lord.

People who fight against OSAS usually use a barometer that they are easily above. To the person who only lies sometimes, you are saved if you don’t commit murder, but how about the vast amount of work in Africa and other nations, plenty of those people are lost and consigned to judgment, what if you are only a true believer if you are willing to die for the gospel? This was a common teaching in the early church days. Some would say you can repent one time and there was no repentance left.

If this is what true faith looked like, I bet you would be happy to know OSAS exists, but if you’re judging your life in comparison to others and that you’re not like them? Well Jesus spoke against that also.

Jesus says simply calling someone an “idiot” (raca) made one in danger of hellfire. You ever call someone an idiot or been angry in your heart or looked at a woman lustfully? I know I have. I’m happy to know I’m still saved, aren’t you?

If this is what true faith looked like, I bet you would be happy to know OSAS exists

Jesus says simply calling someone an “idiot” (raca) made one in danger of hellfire. You ever call someone an idiot or been angry in your heart or looked at a woman lustfully? I know I have. I’m happy to know I’m still saved, aren’t you?

Thank you, Ben, you explained that very well That false correlation has been pointed out too many times to count, so it would seem they refuse correction, and prefer their lie instead, and yet probably believe they are going to heaven, too, despite their repeated sin. Funny how that works, huh?

But nobody listens.

Believing OSAS does NOT mean you have a license to sin.

Just like believing you can lose salvation does not mean you have to work your way in or to stay in.

But nooooooooobody listens. What's in people's heads is what's going to STAY in people's heads. Despite any argument, evidence, or statement to the contrary.

Which is why, AGAIN, THIS IS A USELESS TOPIC THAT ENGENDERS NOTHING MORE THAN ENDLESS DEBATE, STRIFE, AND WASTED ENERGY THAT COULD BE USED ON MORE FRUITFUL ENDEAVORS.

I think you just tipped your hand here, Cee.

Are you suggesting that 'once saved always saved' makes it so faith doesn't have to look a certain way because you're still saved no matter if it looks a certain way or not?

Shouldn't you have rather pointed out what true faith looks like rather than suggesting once saved always saved makes it so your faith doesn't have to look a certain way?




Does once saved always saved make it so we can have contempt for a person and still be safe? Is grace a license for us to now be able to have contempt for people?

I know one would get that impression by how people act in this forum but grace was given to us so we are able to not show contempt for people. 'Once saved always saved' is a dangerous doctrine because it teaches people that faith doesn't have to look a certain way in a person's life. Well, it does have to look a certain way. And the consequences are eternal if it doesn't.

Grace covers us in the growth process but to think it relieves us of certain responsibilities is a lie straight from hell.

As an onlooker I an neither encouraged nor edified by endless debates that go nowhere. And I have to imagine that new Christians, and those on the fence, don't find these things encouraging either - if we 'old timers' can't peacefully agree on an issue, what chance does a newby have?

As an onlooker I an neither encouraged nor edified by endless debates that go nowhere. And I have to imagine that new Christians, and those on the fence, don't find these things encouraging either - if we 'old timers' can't peacefully agree on an issue, what chance does a newby have?

To teach that salvation can be lost or given back makes Jesus a liar and a weak Savior.

Ricky, you are more than an onlooker, since you are an active member Of course, there are conversations or discussions I do not involve myself in, so if I look in on any of those threads, I am often simply an onlooker There have been people who are new in their walk as Christians who have been edified and greatly encouraged by what they have found in the most caustic of debates.