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Sharia law in the United States of America has reached penetration phase 3 (see Spread of Islam).

As the number of court cases in which civil law and Sharia law clash rose across America, many American states introduced bills banning their state courts from accommodating Sharia law.

Many of those bills have been stalled by the Muslim Brotherhood, which accuses the bills' sponsors and supporters of Islamophobia, campaigns against their re-election, and sues in court. States that have managed to pass Sharia law-blocking legislation, known as "ALAC" (American Laws for American Courts), are listed on Islamization of America.

While fighting to a draw in many state legislatures, Sharia law has been advancing faster, in many cases unopposed, in other American institutions, as follows:

● An increasing number of America's public schools are commemorating Muslim holidays, serving Halal food, and holding Islamic prayers towards Mecca. In 2014, Rocky Mountain High School in Fort Collins, Colorado became the first American high school to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic, replacing "One nation under God," with "One nation under Allah" (see Allah Moon God).

● Bill Clinton was the first US president to hold a White House Eid al-Fitr dinner at the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month-long, dawn-to-dusk fast. Eid al-Fitr includes six Takbirs, the raising of hands and shouting, "Allahu Akbar!" to declare that Allah is "greater" (than the God of Christianity and the idols of other religions - see Jesus vs. Muhammad and Halal). Every US president since Clinton, including George W. Bush, held this blasphemous dinner for a total of 20 years (1996 to 2016) until Donald Trump scrapped it in 2017.

● In 2000, the Republican National Convention became the first US presidential convention to open with a Muslim prayer to Allah.

● In 2007, Quran for the first time was used to swear into office a new US Congressman, Keith Ellison (right). In 2017, this former spokesman for Nation of Islam became the second highest leader of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

● In 2009, a Christian US soldier at Baghram Air Force Base in Afghanistan received Bibles in two local languages from his American church as planned. The US army confiscated those Bibles and instead of at least returning them to his church, burned those Bibles. When Terry Jones, a pastor in Florida, announced his plan to burn a copy of the Quran in 2010, General David Petraeus, the commander of the US military in Afghanistan, publicly objected to his plan, while US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced his plan as "disgraceful" (see Bible vs. Quran and War against Islam).

● In the landmark 2010 pro-Sharia ruling on S.D. v. M.J.R., Judge Joseph Charles Jr. of New Jersey concluded that the Muslim ex-husband repeatedly had raped (see Taharrush) his Muslim ex-wife. After testimony from the Muslim man's imam, the judge denied the ex-wife's request for a permanent restraining order against her ex-husband, citing the Muslim man's "belief."

● To attract and manage Muslim wealth, an increasing number of American financial institutions quietly began taking steps to become Sharia-compliant. This includes donating a percentage of their annual profits to Islamic groups that are designated by their Sharia-compliance advisors, many of whom belong to the Muslim Brotherhood and funnel funds to Jihadi groups (the donations must go to one or more of eight recipient categories, one of which is Jihad), including Hamas and Hezbollah. http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/america-sharia-law.html
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Very troubling and very real. Thank you for posting Magenta. I'm sure many here don't want to know about it but it's really going on all over the world. lies and more lies in government. What is so very disgusting is how most of the public are not educated and prefer to allow the government to take care of them OR just keep their head in the sand (lacking knowledge) because they lived that way for so long and didn't perish.

I do hope many here in the U.S. get out and vote. Our Constitutional rights are being systematically taken away. I believe we got a few years reprieve when President Trump got voted in. The right to free speech and gun ownership is on the forefront here. I'm so very thankful that when I start seeing what is actually going on in the world that Jesus is the ONE who will bring peace. In the mean time we stand for the truth in our daily lives.
 
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The UK is the most islamized country in the EU.

"While I have not heard about a kosher food for ten years, halal is now everywhere. Thirsk is not the only place where Muslim cutters cut off. They cut across the country and halal gradually dominated the local market.

Britain is halal.

Muslim restaurants and halal shops are everywhere. They proudly declare what they sell, so the customers at least know what they are buying or what they do not want to buy. But Halal is also served in other restaurants. And it is sold by all supermarkets (Marks and Spencer, Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsbury's, Co-op, Waitrose). This time without any information about the fact. They all buy meat from Muslim butchers because it is cheaper. Costs are also cheaper when the goods do not have to be distinguished between halal and non-halal. A Muslim customer can shop a meat without fear and a non-Muslim one does not care. The same applies to schools and hospitals.

Tens of millions of Britons consume halal every day. Muslims consciously, others without knowing."

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From "Halal hurts" by Vladislav Rogozov, a Czech doctor living in the UK

Translated and edited by google translate, so be tolerant to a bad grammar.
 
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The UK is the most islamized country in the EU.

"While I have not heard about a kosher food for ten years, halal is now everywhere. Thirsk is not the only place where Muslim cutters cut off. They cut across the country and halal gradually dominated the local market.

Britain is halal.

Muslim restaurants and halal shops are everywhere. They proudly declare what they sell, so the customers at least know what they are buying or what they do not want to buy. But Halal is also served in other restaurants. And it is sold by all supermarkets (Marks and Spencer, Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsbury's, Co-op, Waitrose). This time without any information about the fact. They all buy meat from Muslim butchers because it is cheaper. Costs are also cheaper when the goods do not have to be distinguished between halal and non-halal. A Muslim customer can shop a meat without fear and a non-Muslim one does not care. The same applies to schools and hospitals.

Tens of millions of Britons consume halal every day. Muslims consciously, others without knowing."

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From "Halal hurts" by Vladislav Rogozov, a Czech doctor living in the UK

Translated and edited by google translate, so be tolerant to a bad grammar.
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I avoid Halal meat because of the method involved in the slaughter of animals not for any religious reasons. The same method of slaughter is used to produce Kosher meat so I would avoid that as well. I wonder where this Czech Doctor gets his information from.
I would prefer it to come from a Vet or a senior Supermarket employee. Perhaps we should all go Vegetarian, and risk being accused of becoming Buddhist or Hindu
 
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I avoid Halal meat because of the method involved in the slaughter of animals not for any religious reasons. The same method of slaughter is used to produce Kosher meat so I would avoid that as well. I wonder where this Czech Doctor gets his information from.
I would prefer it to come from a Vet or a senior Supermarket employee. Perhaps we should all go Vegetarian, and risk being accused of becoming Buddhist or Hindu
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The point is, that in the UK you practically cannot avoid halal. Its all meat you buy in any bigger UK shop.

I do not think that eating halal will make you a muslim and not eating will make you a buddhist. But the UK is returning to the situation the first Church was in. Into a decision between "having a strong faith and eat what is sacrificed to idols" or "be a vegetarian"... really bad situation not imaginable 50 years ago.

But of course, its not just the UK. Also Paris is not Paris anymore, Sweden (the rape capital of Europe - also not imaginable 50 years ago), Holland and some other countries are in a bad situation too.
 
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Yes., that is what many on 'one' side of the fence say and then there are many on the other side of the fence who say something TOTALLY different..... much like here in America. People call our president a racist and a sexist and a child abuser, violent etc... among other wacky things and all these accusations are totally false. But because the main stream media report it that way..... many Americans who don't know any better believe it. It's called fake news.

Same with immigration in our country. The main stream media reports our President and all conservatives who agree with him to be hateful against immigrants legal and illegal. That is also totally FALSE. I have learned through a major process of educating myself and listening to both sides. I've discovered I prefer to get my news from many of the conservative sources and groups and people on line and none of them believe what you said about Tommy Robinson. One of many ways to tell about people or groups of people is are they pro abortion? Are they pro Islam? pro government? Big government., Anti God.??

Tommy Robinson is not a Christian but he has been in the spot light for a few years and has changed a lot from the time he first began reporting from a conservative view point. I would check out the conservatives in your country Miri because the liberals in government are destroying one country after the next with REAL racism and hatred. I will post the links I know about so you can get a different picture of what is happening with Islam and those who appose it not only in your country but in mine. Fake news is a real problem every where.
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In this case you are wrong. The EDL are mainly made up of male football
Hooligans who don’t think twice about committing acts of violence.

By the way, you are also wrong about freedom of speech and media
restrictions, it’s very common for court cases to be reported via
on (not by video) but by reporters reporting on he proceedings.

Restrictions might apply in some cases where it is felt it may
predudice a fair trial, especially where it’s a trisl be jury. We don’t
believe in linching someone in this country, we believe in a fair trial.

In this case this man (violent hooligan) videoed the court proceedings
despite being warned and then posted the footage on line.

Because of this it may now require a retrial costing hundreds of thousands
of pounds. That’s why he was convicted with contempt of
court. It had nothing to do with the actual original case.


Please can you get your facts correct of you are going to post something.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3838990/tommy-robinson-edl-right-wing-activist-jail-13-months/
 
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Miri said:
In this case you are wrong. The EDL are mainly made up of male football
Hooligans who don’t think twice about committing acts of violence.

By the way, you are also wrong about freedom of speech and media
restrictions, it’s very common for court cases to be reported via
on (not by video) but by reporters reporting on he proceedings.

Restrictions might apply in some cases where it is felt it may
predudice a fair trial, especially where it’s a trisl be jury. We don’t
believe in linching someone in this country, we believe in a fair trial.

In this case this man (violent hooligan) videoed the court proceedings
despite being warned and then posted the footage on line.

Because of this it may now require a retrial costing hundreds of thousands
of pounds. That’s why he was convicted with contempt of
court. It had nothing to do with the actual original case.


Please can you get your facts correct of you are going to post something.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3838990/tommy-robinson-edl-right-wing-activist-jail-13-months/
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I did get my facts straight. It all depends on where a person gets their facts and who they believe in the government and on the airwaves. You believe people I would not trust as far as I could throw them based on my observation of these issues going on in the world. And you have a right to your opinion Miri. I encourage you to listen to the news reports I posted and even other conservatives in the UK.

For instance., I would never listen to or trust MANY of the news outlets and organizations and commentators here in the U.S. as well as others around the world such as CNN., NBC., MSN., BBC., CBS., to name just a few. They report the news totally different than even FoxNews. The news people get often depends on the leanings of the person or persons in a news organization. It is ON US as individuals to seek out the truth when it comes to world news and even state and local news. Nothing is as it first appears where humans are concerned. Too many motives., too many people involved.

Whenever news organizations report via TV or newspapers., the use of "right wing extremists" is ALWAYS suspect Miri. I do hope you take these words into consideration because many who are Christians fall into that category just by association. Often times if not most times just being a Bible believing Christian makes a person a "right wing extremist"
 
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I did get my facts straight. It all depends on where a person gets their facts and who they believe in the government and on the airwaves. You believe people I would not trust as far as I could throw them based on my observation of these issues going on in the world. And you have a right to your opinion Miri. I encourage you to listen to the news reports I posted and even other conservatives in the UK.

For instance., I would never listen to or trust MANY of the news outlets and organizations and commentators here in the U.S. as well as others around the world such as CNN., NBC., MSN., BBC., CBS., to name just a few. They report the news totally different than even FoxNews. The news people get often depends on the leanings of the person or persons in a news organization. It is ON US as individuals to seek out the truth when it comes to world news and even state and local news. Nothing is as it first appears where humans are concerned. Too many motives., too many people involved.

Whenever news organizations report via TV or newspapers., the use of "right wing extremists" is ALWAYS suspect Miri. I do hope you take these words into consideration because many who are Christians fall into that category just by association. Often times if not most times just being a Bible believing Christian makes a person a "right wing extremist"
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I suppose that means its ok to ignore the criminal activities of the person in
question? When people of his caliber do what he did, believe me it’s not due to
any good intentions.

Did you look at the link I posted? There are also various other sources
with his criminal past too.

You would have to live in the UK to understand the problems caused by the EDL.
They are not the sort of people you would want to live near.

Just in case you didn’t I will post the details from the link,

Despite performing well academically at school, Robinson repeatedly
found himself in trouble as a teenager, citing fights with "Muslim
gangs" as one of the reasons for his "problems" as a youth.
Robinson is the former leader of the English Defence League (EDL), a
far-right street protest movement.

The group – which the former British National Party (BNP) member
co-founded in 2009 – are opposed to the spread of “militant Islam”.

He also has a criminal record with convictions for a number of offences,
including football-related violence, trying to travel on false documents
and a protest against Fifa’s decision to stop the England football team
wearing poppies on their shirts.
He has been to prison on multiple occasions including in 2014 for
mortgage fraud.
After studying aircraft engineering for five years, Robinson lost his job
at Luton Airport in 2003 after punching an off-duty police officer during
a drunken row.

He claims that stricter security measures following the September 11
terrorist attacks in 2001, meant he has been blacklisted from working at airports.
Robinson was captured on film repeatedly punching a man in the head at Royal Ascot.
The activist was banned from Twitter on March 28, 2018, for breaching
the social media platform's "hateful conduct" policy.

The EDL is really not the sort of group a Christian should be supporting,
but I suppose as you do not live in the UK and did not see it first hand, that you
know best.
 
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Miri said:
I suppose that means its ok to ignore the criminal activities of the person in
question? When people of his caliber do what he did, believe me it’s not due to
any good intentions.

Did you look at the link I posted? There are also various other sources
with his criminal past too.

You would have to live in the UK to understand the problems caused by the EDL.
They are not the sort of people you would want to live near.

Just in case you didn’t I will post the details from the link,

Despite performing well academically at school, Robinson repeatedly
found himself in trouble as a teenager, citing fights with "Muslim
gangs" as one of the reasons for his "problems" as a youth.
Robinson is the former leader of the English Defence League (EDL), a
far-right street protest movement.

The group – which the former British National Party (BNP) member
co-founded in 2009 – are opposed to the spread of “militant Islam”.

He also has a criminal record with convictions for a number of offences,
including football-related violence, trying to travel on false documents
and a protest against Fifa’s decision to stop the England football team
wearing poppies on their shirts.
He has been to prison on multiple occasions including in 2014 for
mortgage fraud.
After studying aircraft engineering for five years, Robinson lost his job
at Luton Airport in 2003 after punching an off-duty police officer during
a drunken row.

He claims that stricter security measures following the September 11
terrorist attacks in 2001, meant he has been blacklisted from working at airports.
Robinson was captured on film repeatedly punching a man in the head at Royal Ascot.
The activist was banned from Twitter on March 28, 2018, for breaching
the social media platform's "hateful conduct" policy.

The EDL is really not the sort of group a Christian should be supporting,
but I suppose as you do not live in the UK and did not see it first hand, that you
know best.
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Sorry Joni I suppose that last bit might have come across as a bit harsh,
it’s just that I was there in the area during the protest march by his so called
supporters and it wasn’t a pretty sight.
 
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No., it's based on my experience with how even our President is called a right wing white extremist., racist., homophobic, zenabobic and all other afobics., as well as all those who support him. Think of it Miri., those who voted for President Trump lost jobs., were beat up just by associating with him via their votes and admitting to it. And that is just one small guilt by association in the matter of politics. And our President is not even a racist or extremist or homophobic....etc... But as far as many are concerned... based on the news reports distortions... to many people he is.

I may not live in the UK but I live on the planet and have seen clearly the bias against the conservatives in all countries. It's not an isolated matter having to do with just one country Miri. It has to do with each country and the breaking down of morality that pushes for globalism.

I have begun to see why God didn't want man to think so highly of himself and caused man to have many different languages. Mankind is not good and needs Jesus. Man can have a morality based on right and wrong but man needs Jesus to give him a new heart. In the meantime man will always uphold himself above God.

I see how social media is a hot bed of lies and innuendo and how many people follow based on how something is presented. Sinful men use this to their advantage to control the masses. No one wants to be called a racist so instead of standing up against a huge lie people back down and don't get involved or stay secret about their political leanings even about abortion. Abortion is murder no question but how many Christians will say so in a mixed group? How many will be afraid they may look intolerant?

So if it's happening with something as black and white as abortion., how much more with avoiding guilt by association in other areas?
I've seen it and it's real. Again., I encourage you to look into the news from a conservative view point in your country and not those who posted this here in your post. They are obviously not to be relied on.
 
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Well as I say you weren’t there.
 
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Miri said:
Sorry Joni I suppose that last bit might have come across as a bit harsh,
it’s just that I was there in the area during the protest march by his so called
supporters and it wasn’t a pretty sight.
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I can imagine Miri. There are teens here in the U.S. protesting for gun laws to be changed. They are supported by Hollywood and the main stream media. Many gun rights supporters also went and protested and the arguments were extremely heated as they are in all protest marches. Emotions run high.

Gun control is a hot topic and always has been. Since you have seen how protests go you have to know how both sides are human and even when humans fight for a good cause they can do it with a totally rotten heart doing totally rotten things.

Pro life marchers have blown up abortion clinics because humanly speaking they can't stand the murder of innocents but they miss the big truth that murder is not the answer yet they rationalize and end up killing people saying it's for the greater cause. Killing abortion doctors is not the answer. Blowing up abortion clinics and hating those involved with abortion is not the answer. Jesus tells us to love our enemies even abortion doctors.

Same with the left., they are fighting for abortion rights yet don't see the insanity of their argument., they want guns to be banned thinking it is for the good of society when others see it as allowing the government to have power over them even more taking away their constitutional right to bear arms and protect themselves. Both have valid points about gun control on the surface (not abortion, abortion is killing another human being) but there is a right way to discuss these topics yet I've seen in many cases some people just cannot do that. They run with their emotions of hurt., anger., shock and loss. It's just about impossible to come to the table when both sides are running on human emotion.

Again., I would ask you to look into the conservative news in your country and see the other side.
 
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Don’t need to I saw it first hand, what do you not get.

The city in question is my home town!

Actual eye witness beats hands down any assumptions from someone
across the other side of the world who knows nothing about the EDL.

It’s like I know nothing about gun laws in America so wouldnt presume to
explain what the gun problem in the US is and how to fix it.
 
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Tommy Robinson Rebel Media



Miri., Hope you will consider what is going on from the conservative viewpoint and how what you have been taught is not true about those rapists on trial. They are Islamist extremists.
 
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Miri said:
Don’t need to I saw it first hand, what do you not get.

The city in question is my home town!

Actual eye witness beats hands down any assumptions from someone
across the other side of the world who knows nothing about the EDL.

It’s like I know nothing about gun laws in America so wouldnt presume to
explain what the gun problem in the US is and how to fix it.
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Lots of people here in the U.S. Don't understand what is going on even as they protest in these anti gun marches Miri and they live here too. The kids were IN THE SCHOOL when the gunman was shooting and they are also wrong about their views on gun control IMO and many other Americans agree with me. It's not a matter of living here or there. Stuff is going on in your country that you and many of your fellow UK citizens are not aware of. Just like here in the U.S. and other countries. Open your eyes.
 
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Lots of people here in the U.S. Don't understand what is going on even as they protest in these anti gun marches Miri and they live here too. The kids were IN THE SCHOOL when the gunman was shooting and they are also wrong about their views on gun control IMO and many other Americans agree with me. It's not a matter of living here or there. Stuff is going on in your country that you and many of your fellow UK citizens are not aware of. Just like here in the U.S. and other countries. Open your eyes.
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My eyes are open, thank you, Im afraid you are wrong on this one.
As I say the EDL are thugs, many of whom would think nothing of
giving someone a good kicking and not the sort of people you
would want to support. Many have criminal records and are under
scrutiny by the police.
 
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Miri said:
My eyes are open, thank you, Im afraid you are wrong on this one.
As I say the EDL are thugs, many of whom would think nothing of
giving someone a good kicking and not the sort of people you
would want to support. Many have criminal records and are under
scrutiny by the police.
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Miri said:
My eyes are open, thank you, Im afraid you are wrong on this one.
As I say the EDL are thugs, many of whom would think nothing of
giving someone a good kicking and not the sort of people you
would want to support. Many have criminal records and are under
scrutiny by the police.
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meanwhile, many times a week, I read stories about all the crimes that the muslims comment. and you think tommy robinson and maybe folks like paul joseph Watson, who sound the alarm against them, are an issue.

not being there, and you are, I get that you know more that I and those hear in the states. but, I would say to you and others- do not loe sight of who is trying to help and who is not.
 
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