Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

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Studyman

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you do not believe the Scripture you post. Jesus Himself said that self testimony is not valid. the Law says out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses a matter shall be established.

you say the Bible translation is corrupt. I ask you for a source of correct translation. you refuse to provide it, then keep talking about obeying the Scripture.

until you provide a source to back up what say, you are in contempt of Scripture.
When did I say the bible translation is corrupt? Please provide a direct quote, or the testimonies of two or more witnesses. LOL
 

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They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer
(1 Timothy 4:3-5)
this says the acceptance of all foods with thanksgiving honors God's creation
So you believe drinking Blood has been sanctified by the Word of God? Can you show your Biblical support for this?
 

posthuman

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It is the only Commandment that Honors God's creation and directs us to His Mindset

For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation.
(Galatians 6:15)
For He himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in His flesh the Law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which He put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of His household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
(Ephesians 2:14-20)

this says honoring the peace that comes through Him, disregarding the former separation of the physical circumcision commandment, acknowledging that the hostility has been put to death in Him and being drawn near through His blood is honoring His creation -- His new creation, created in Christ Jesus of the Spirit, not of the flesh.

He is always working, even to this day :)
 

Studyman

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For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation.
(Galatians 6:15)
For He himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in His flesh the Law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which He put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of His household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
(Ephesians 2:14-20)

this says honoring the peace that comes through Him, disregarding the former separation of the physical circumcision commandment, acknowledging that the hostility has been put to death in Him and being drawn near through His blood is honoring His creation -- His new creation, created in Christ Jesus of the Spirit, not of the flesh.

He is always working, even to this day :)

Wow, you just did it again.
 

posthuman

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So you believe drinking Blood has been sanctified by the Word of God? Can you show your Biblical support for this?
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
(John 6:56)
You must not eat the blood; pour it on the ground like water.
(Deuteronomy 12:23)
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
(Exodus 12:16)
 

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
thanks! So which is the Commandment given to Abraham and all mankind?

That the Earth was without form or let there be light?
 

posthuman

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Wow, you just did it again.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
(Exodus 20:16)
Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, outcry, and slander, be put away from you, with all malice.
(Ephesians 4:31)
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words,
which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.
(1 Timothy 2:14)
:)
 

posthuman

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The Stone which the builders rejected
has become the Chief Cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing;
it is marvelous in our eyes.
This is the day the Lord has made;
we will rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:22-24)

rejoicing in the rejected Stone, which is the Cornerstone, is honoring the day He created

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men, and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Philippians 2:3-8)
and thus finding ourselves in Him - the eternal Day ((re: Rev. 21:23, 22:5)) - is directing us to His mindset
 

gb9

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When did I say the bible translation is corrupt? Please provide a direct quote, or the testimonies of two or more witnesses. LOL
in the " God's Sabbath and the truth of Col. 2...., post # 10,288, page 515, I was telling you the language was not matching what you are saying, you replied …. " the first preachers that the Word became flesh assigned corrupted the interperation..

so, you can stop laughing and source where the correct interpretation is. or continue to be in contempt.
 

Studyman

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in the " God's Sabbath and the truth of Col. 2...., post # 10,288, page 515, I was telling you the language was not matching what you are saying, you replied …. " the first preachers that the Word became flesh assigned corrupted the interperation..

so, you can stop laughing and source where the correct interpretation is. or continue to be in contempt.
Jer. 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God)bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
 

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I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race.
(Ecclesiastes 3:10)
Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.
(Matthew 11:28-30)
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
(John 3:6-7)
For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything.
What counts is a new creation.
(Galatians 6:15)
 

Studyman

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did what?

looked toward & pointed at Jesus Christ?

:D

yes; that is my only purpose.
You posted;

"They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer
(1 Timothy 4:3-5)

this says the acceptance of all foods with thanksgiving honors God's creation"

I highlighted the portions which bring your preaching, and others, of this scripture into question.

I asked: "So you believe drinking Blood has been sanctified by the Word of God? Can you show your Biblical support for this?

Did you answer my question? No, you deflected once again and accused me of slander, once again.

Of course you can't show me your Biblical support for your preaching in this matter, because some things that are consumed by man have not been sanctified by God, or "Created to be received" as Food. Blood is one, there are others. There are some things which God didn't create for food. But like your preaching that God's Laws are "Rudiments of the World" and your preaching that Jesus taught differently as a man, than He did as the Word, these doctrines are man made and not supported by the Jesus of the Bible.

We were warned about "another Jesus" in the same Bible that says we are not to eat Blood.
 

gb9

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Jer. 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God)bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
JER.14 V 14 has nothing to do with interpreting Scripture. God said that to Jeremiah in reference to the prophets telling the people that there would be peace and no sword or famine. not one thing about interpreting Scripture.

keep lying, keep being deceptive, keep spitting on the Word. you expose yourself more and more.
 

gb9

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You posted;

"They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer
(1 Timothy 4:3-5)

this says the acceptance of all foods with thanksgiving honors God's creation"

I highlighted the portions which bring your preaching, and others, of this scripture into question.

I asked: "So you believe drinking Blood has been sanctified by the Word of God? Can you show your Biblical support for this?

Did you answer my question? No, you deflected once again and accused me of slander, once again.

Of course you can't show me your Biblical support for your preaching in this matter, because some things that are consumed by man have not been sanctified by God, or "Created to be received" as Food. Blood is one, there are others. There are some things which God didn't create for food. But like your preaching that God's Laws are "Rudiments of the World" and your preaching that Jesus taught differently as a man, than He did as the Word, these doctrines are man made and not supported by the Jesus of the Bible.

We were warned about "another Jesus" in the same Bible that says we are not to eat Blood.

you seriously had the nerve to say something about post not answering a question when I have been asking you for a source for the interpertaion of Scripture, and you refuse.

you a piece of work. hope you enjoy playing games with God's Word. I do not think He does......
 

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thanks! So which is the Commandment given to Abraham and all mankind?

That the Earth was without form or let there be light?
John 8:
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.

Ps. 119:
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Ps. 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

Ps. 56:
11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.
12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee.
13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

Prov. 6:
20 My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck.
22 When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.
23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Is. 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Is. 42:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

I believe the most significant Commandment ever for mankind is the First Commandment given.

"Let there be light".

And the most helpful understanding given to mankind is the truth about mankind. "And they loved darkness rather than light".

In my opinion and experience, if you don't believe these truths about yourself, you will never understand Him.

You have the Commandments of God, all you need to do is keep them. Will there be a tempter telling you you don't need to follow Him? Absolutely, as it was from the very beginning. Will this tempter use God's Word to deceive? Absolutely.

But you can choose to "Pick up your cross, deny yourself, and follow Him" as did Abraham. Don't look to me for your instruction, look to the Author and Finisher of my faith, the Light of the World and "hear" Him.
 

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JER.14 V 14 has nothing to do with interpreting Scripture. God said that to Jeremiah in reference to the prophets telling the people that there would be peace and no sword or famine. not one thing about interpreting Scripture.

keep lying, keep being deceptive, keep spitting on the Word. you expose yourself more and more.
Thank you once again G9 for your spiritual reply. Your hatred and scorn do more to build my Faith than you can every know. Thank you.
 

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John 8:
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.

Ps. 119:
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Ps. 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

Ps. 56:
11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.
12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee.
13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

Prov. 6:
20 My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck.
22 When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.
23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Is. 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Is. 42:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

I believe the most significant Commandment ever for mankind is the First Commandment given.

"Let there be light".

And the most helpful understanding given to mankind is the truth about mankind. "And they loved darkness rather than light".

In my opinion and experience, if you don't believe these truths about yourself, you will never understand Him.

You have the Commandments of God, all you need to do is keep them. Will there be a tempter telling you you don't need to follow Him? Absolutely, as it was from the very beginning. Will this tempter use God's Word to deceive? Absolutely.

But you can choose to "Pick up your cross, deny yourself, and follow Him" as did Abraham. Don't look to me for your instruction, look to the Author and Finisher of my faith, the Light of the World and "hear" Him.
I'm not looking to you for instruction, I'm looking to you for discussion.

so the next commandment in God's universal law that God gave to Abraham and all mankind, what would that be as one reads Through the Bible?
 

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I'm not looking to you for instruction, I'm looking to you for discussion.

so the next commandment in God's universal law that God gave to Abraham and all mankind, what would that be as one reads Through the Bible?
You keep asking me "what Laws" when you have the same Bible as I have. Sorry if I understood this as asking for instruction.

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Ex. 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

This was after Passover but before God enumerated through Moses His Laws. Yet God is telling these folks He led out of Egypt to keep His Commandments. How can this be if God didn't have Laws before the Sinai Covenant that "many" on the forum and in Mainstream Christianity Preach?

Ex. 16:
4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

This was before Mt. Sinai. This is before Moses enumerated God's Commandments. Yet God has created a "Test" Commandment to "Prove them".

And what did the word which became Flesh say about those who rejected His Sabbath?

25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Do you really believe there is even a chance that Adam, Noah and Abraham didn't know about God's Sabbath?
 

gb9

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Thank you once again G9 for your spiritual reply. Your hatred and scorn do more to build my Faith than you can every know. Thank you.
how is it hate and scorn that I simply ask you to provide a source that backs up what you say?? I posted I direct quote from you above, asked you to provide a source based on what you said. how is that hate and scorn??

you said that the translation was corrupted. well, since you have the proper translations ( you say you do ), and the Bible was not written in English, deductive reasoning says there must be uncorrupted translations . so, source them so I , or anyone , can read them.

if you do not do so, then you are simply bearing witness of your self, which Jesus said is not true. the Law says out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses a matter will be settled.


so, if you want to call being simply asked, backed by Scripture, to give a source of what YOU SAY , hate and scorn, well, o.k., but i do not see how......