Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

So you'd rather slander than look for Christ in the scripture?

Ok then.

I never said it wasn't. I said I believe every scriptures is contained in every scripture and they all flow together like a living river.

Do you believe "subdue the earth" means to subdue the rocks and dirt and trees?

Why do you believe God gave different instruction to Adam and Noah, than He gave to Abraham?

the reason I brought up physical circumcision is because it is a commandment given to Abraham and thus not part of the levitical priesthood, as I understand it.

yet it is not part of the New Covenant, something that Christians do. so then it looks to me like it was more than just the levitical priesthood laws that were changed with the New Covenant.

to me it looks like it is speculation that Abraham had all possible Laws of God except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given the Levites which were "ADDED" 430 years later.

I don't think we can know if Abraham kept the Sabbath or not. since we cannot know I would not want to assume either way.

since the Bible doesn't state it, it looks to me like it must not be important, that is, important whether or not Abraham kept it.

you didn't state that the Commandment to subdue the Earth was not part of what Abraham and all mankind received as God's universal law.

But since I had asked specifically for things in biblical order, and you didn't address this, I figured you did not consider it a commandment.

So is it a commandment, or is it not?

I believe the context shows what we are to subdue
Genesis 1: 26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

fish Birds cattle whatnot

The Passover lamb is not a burnt offering.
It is eaten.
You can't just go around calling everything involving a lamb 'passover'

Interestingly, though the Passover is a sabbath, it is permitted in the Law to work to prepare the food.

Well there you go Dan. I made my case with scriptures, and it is a compelling argument.

You disagree, discussion over.

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

I don't think it was written so we would tame animals. But you are I see the scriptures very differently.

Studyman,
I'm not speculating because I'm not saying whether or not Abraham kept the Sabbath by not doing physical work on it.

To say that he did or did not would be speculation, unless there's a Bible verse I'm unaware of.

Whenever I hear a question like why did God do that, I'm always reminded that God's ways are not like our ways.

Whether God did or did not tell Abraham not to do physical work on the Sabbath, I believe it is not recorded in the scripture. So, I don't know If Abraham did it or not.

So your Jesus didn't tell Abraham about His Passover.

OK Then!

Jesus is the Word which became Flesh, All things were created by Him, including the Laws and Commandments, and the Sabbath of God. So these Commandments are the Commandments of Jesus the Christ. This is the Word of God, not speculation.

I agree that can be differences in interpretations of Commandments.

That's why I asked for the scripture references.

I believe you did not include the scripture reference for subdue the Earth as you were listing the Commandments.

do you want to include it?

Do you care whether a passover lamb is burned up or eaten, or whether your personal interpretations match scripture or not?


Colossians 1:24-27
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

So Abraham had tzitzit and new moon festival commandments? Any commandments ever given by God?
That's what your arguing.

If every command of God is eternal and equally given to all people what happened to physical circumcision and Levite priesthood?

Does this mean your Jesus didn't teach Abraham about Passover?

Jesus is the Word which became Flesh, All things were created by Him, including the Laws and Commandments, and the Sabbath of God. So these Commandments are the Commandments of Jesus the Christ. This is the Word of God, not speculation.

I simply posted my understand of this Biblical truth. If your Jesus didn't create "All things", that certainly explains why you and I disagree about His Word.

Your premise seems to be that since God gave certain commands in one place, and Abraham had commands from God, that therefore Abraham had all commands God ever gave to anyone.

That's demonstrably faulty.

Jesus is the Word which became Flesh, All things were created by Him, including the Laws and Commandments, and the Sabbath of God. So these Commandments are the Commandments of Jesus the Christ. This is the Word of God, not speculation.



Abraham did have Christ's Laws and Commandments. That is not speculation, that is God's Word.



Abraham didn't pick and choose which of Christ's Commandments he thought were worthy of his respect, and which ones he didn't. God gave Him instruction and he obeyed. And for this the Word of God says he was blessed. This is also the Word of God, no speculation.



And Christ did create a Sabbath. He sanctified it, separated it from other days and made it Holy. This is not speculation, it is the Word of God.



And Christ did include His Sabbath in the Commandments of God that David called "Righteousness". This is the Word of God, not speculation.



And Jesus said this Sabbath was created for man. And Abraham was a man. Jesus didn't say the Sabbath was created for men born after a specific time, or with a specific DNA. This is also the Word of God, not Speculation.



You and I also have God's Commandments. This is truth, not speculation.



John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. This is the Word of God, not speculation.



Abraham obeyed the Christ and in turn, the Christ manifested Himself to Abraham as He Promised. This is the Word of God, not speculation.



56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.



Zechariahs also honored the Christ by obeying His Commandments and he also knew Jesus when He came. This is the Word of God, not speculation.



The Mainstream preachers of Christ's time rebelled against His Commandments and didn't follow them. This is the Word of God, not speculation.



The Pharisees didn't know Jesus when He came. This is also the Word of God, no speculation.



So you can preach that Abraham didn't have God's Sabbath that He created for man if you want.



What we do know is whatever commandments and Laws Abraham had from God, he obeyed them and the mainstream preachers had God's commandments and they didn't obey them. This is the Word of God, not speculation.



Are we to have the "Faith" of Abraham? Or the "works" of the mainstream preachers of His time?

What we do know is whatever commandments and Laws Abraham had from God, he obeyed them and the mainstream preachers had God's commandments and they didn't obey them. This is the Word of God, not speculation.

While Abraham could have known as well as Adam surely did that God would redeem His creation and bring forth salvation, "Passover" didn't occur until over 400 years after Abraham, in the Exodus.

In Genesis 15:13-14 God informs Abraham that his descendents will be in bondage in a foreign land but that He will bring them out and punish that land, but He doesn't say Egypt and doesn't give the details of the 10th plague.