What must I do to be saved

He is right about that one,because the flesh is sin,and when a person dies, sin lo longer exist in that person any more. And you are right also, the death right now is the spirit man ,and it has to die in order to take on the new spirit man. as the holy spirit renews our minds. He cannot renew our minds with the old man which is the old spirit man.

Nowhere does the Bible say that it's possible to live without sinning, you are either willfully ignorant or just a straight out liar and a false Christian

To be saved one must obey the commandments....which is to love others as yourself. This is the law and the prophets.

I disagree. I don't think you are reading this mans posts carefully. He is preaching a victorious life in Christ as possible. Other men are saying a victorious life in Christ is not possible. And you think he is using some excuse like when satan tried to tempt Jesus?? That makes no sense...

It appears to me that other men are making excuses of some sort - not this man.

If we abide we do not sin. Why would a man be attacked for saying this? It IS a verse. (And we know that IF we sin, we have an advocate.) So why would anyone strenuously argue that they will sin, when they should put all of that energy into learning to abide so they won't sin??

What must one do to be saved.

I believe God decides who will be saved and who won't.

There are many scriptures which support the view that we don't decide to believe in Christ, but faith in Christ is a gift that God gives only to His elect.

Most folks don't agree with the doctrine of predestination/election, because many other scriptures say things like you must obey and remain faithful to the end etc...

These two opposing views have been debated for centuries, so today we have the benefit of many good good books on the subject but have we arrived at a consensus in the Church.

I would love to see the Church unite and resolve this dividing issue. But I fear that it will continue to be an enigma for the Church. Why can't we let the Bible be the final authority and accept what it really says and unite in the truth.

well. all i got to do is believe. Jesus said believe on him whom he hath sent, that is the work i need to do to be saved.

I disagree.

The verse says: if we abide in Him we do not sin.

This appears to be saying it is possible to live without sinning.

So my first reaction is to ask someone to please tell me what abide means and how one does abide. My first reaction is not to argue that the verse is wrong. And it's not to look ahead to the future either. It's to be focused on abiding right now so that I won't sin!

But as it stands, the verse says, if we abide we don't sin and yet men say: Wrong! If we abide we DO sin!

You might get a lot of different definitions of what abide means. To me, it just means to remain in trust, to continue in trust.

The moment I try hard not to sin, I have left off trusting in Him to finish what He began in me. (I've left off abiding).

So to me, the verse is saying: anyone who continues to trust Him does not sin.

And this has been my experience. The moment I stop trusting Him and begin working hard to not sin, I stumble. When I return to trusting Him, He gives me victory.

All I have to do is admit my weakness, trust Him to change my mind and heart, and then wait in trust.

And if I had understood this sooner, I could have saved myself years of frustration and depression. But instead, I kept trying to perfect myself, which was the mistake of the Galatians.

If we abide in Him we will never willfully sin, I believe that's what the verse is saying. God doesn't hold it against a saved person if a sinful thought enters his mind, that's Satan throwing darts at him. God does hold it against you if you surrender to the temptation and physically act out the sin, without any resistance as the reprobate do.

1 John 3:6 - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Sinneth not (ouc amartanei). Linear present (linear menwn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of amartanw, "does not keep on sinning." For menw (abide) see Hebrews 2:6; John 15:4-10. Whosoever sinneth (o amartanwn). Present (linear) active articular participle like menwn above, "the one who keeps on sinning" (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as amarthsa, aorist active participle, would mean). Hath not seen him (ouc ewraken auton). Perfect active indicative of oraw. The habit of sin is proof that one has not the vision or the knowledge (egnwken, perfect active also) of Christ. He means, of course, spiritual vision and spiritual knowledge, not the literal sense of oraw in John 1:18; John 20:29.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/1-john/1-john-3-6.html

If we abide in Him we will never willfully sin, I believe that's what the verse is saying.

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says.

Contradiction much?

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says. The only time we will stop sinning is when we receive our glorified bodies in heaven, until then we will continue to sin every day.

i disagree with you

i have read his posts carefully

taking scripture our of context is what satan did

and his poor excuses reminded me of that


he is pushing works salvation <- false gospel


maybe you didnt read my posts carefully either but im not saying anything about who will or wont sin


im saying we are saved by grace through faith

he is saying we are saved if our walk is up to par


that is nonsense

we are saved by the imputed righteousness of Jesus

not self righteousness

Where is that verse?

True or false. We can do all things through HIM who Strengthens us. For we are more than conquers. For GOD is faithful HE will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear but with the temptation give us a way to bear it.

I don't believe he is talking about self righteousness. I think he is saying: make no mistake - a righteous man does what is righteous. I think he is talking about the power that can make you actually BE lawabiding. Other men seem to think that is...illegal? Or that it is illegal to run a race to win it...?

Does His blood cover me because He cannot possibly give me victory over sin, or does His blood cover me so that I can stumble and learn to abide (trust more and more) without abject fear?

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says

I hope you're not suggesting that if we abide in Him we will sin, because that would be going against the bible.
You could say a lot of things - for instance:

If I don't abide in Him, I will/do sin.
Or, I sin whenever I stop abiding in Him.
You could even say, perhaps, that if it were possible for you to remain in trust (abide) at all times, you wouldn't sin, but that you have not found it possible to abide (trust) at all times and therefore you sin.

But you cannot say if you abide in him you sin.