Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

You do to me like you do to Jesus. You pick a sentence here and there and then create lies about what it means. I explained very clearly, so clearly that even a child could understand, Paul's message in Romans 2 and 3. How his message doesn't contradict but are saying the exact same thing.

But addressing the whole post would expose your preaching, and your accusation as false so you must pick one sentence, and reject the rest which explain the understanding.

And old tactic, but still affective for self deceit.

This is how the serpent deceived Eve.

You can go ahead and preach Jesus destroyed His own instructions if you want. But for me it's about what the Bible teaches. ALL of it, not just the parts you can use to promote your religious traditions.

Again, Paul explains that there are two Laws. Your unbelief doesn't make this Biblical fact void.

It's like your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God's Commandments. This preaching is a lie, both old and new Testament expose this teaching as a lie. But instead of accepting the truth about the Mainstream Preachers of His time, and changing your own mind, you simple ignore the scriptures which expose you, and work to convince others to do the same thing.

It was Jesus Himself that spoke of the "Law of Faith" and Paul is just expounding on His teaching. These are not "my words" they are the teaching of the Word of God.

I know my understanding is contrary to your preaching. But that in itself doesn't make my understanding wrong.

As it is written through out the Bible, over and over and over and over and over.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

What Commandments? The Law of Works? No Post, but by the LAW of Faith.

="Dan_473, post: 3647685, member: 190874"]Please remedy your use of the quoting system, and I will respond at length.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Lev. 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor.

Not sure what your point is. Jesus is just teaching what He has always taught.

Are you saying that the NEW commandment of Jesus replaces the 10 ? Not at all !
The NEW com replaces the one in Lev 19v18....love thy neighbour as thyself. NOW we are to love neighbour as HE (Jesus) loved us. The 10 are noy affected or replaced.

oh my,

my brothers and sisters just keep trying to 'convince' each other...

may we just 'love' each-other and come to realize that we are all in a
special place where Yeshua has placed us for the time being?...

a journey that only we can own and prayerfully act upon???

The plain truth is that God gave us the law to guide us. It is like the edges of a path we are to walk with Jesus--it defines the edges. Walking according to the instructions we receive about how we are to do it brings freedom, joy, peace and such. We are to thank God for the law.

People are saying that we can forget about anything I said in the paragraph above because God does not save based on the law. That is the way of the Lord, God created us and we are not given the power to redo God. God does give salvation for faith in Him. That is the first step we are to take in our walk with the Lord. From there we start our exciting life, our free and satisfying life with the law showing us the boundaries, and the instructions leading us to joy, abundance, peace--all the good things of the Lord.

I am 100% with this, but, their are some on here who insist that one MUST keep the Law/Sabbath to be saved, and then condem any who disagree. it is those who refuse to love, and let us journey in peace. they insist they we walk their road, and we be condemned If we do not.

I think it'll help to firmly establish context of Paul's letter from the beginning of Galatians chapter 2.

Starting in Chapter 1, Paul is greeting his readers and explaining his calling to the gentiles is from the same living God as Peter's calling was to the Jews, noting that Peter, James and John also recognized the grace (i.e. divine strength) Paul was given by giving him the right hand of fellowship and mission to the gentiles with an added instruction to be mindful of the poor.

However, in Chapter 2 verse 11, Paul gets to the issue at hand and the point of his letter, starting with why he had to rebuke Elder Peter. Peter was being a hypocrite.

You see, we read earlier in their mission in Acts 10 that Christ had to deal with Peter in a dream about how he was behaving with regard to gentiles because he was following the Pharisee Traditional Law of "never defiling oneself by being in the company of 'unclean' gentiles or traveling to their nations".

Acts 10:28 (Berean)
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

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Now an important point that is missed here is that there is no law in the Law of Moses (i.e. Yah's law) that commands Jews to separate themselves from gentiles to avoid "defilement" or "to make oneself clean". This is important. So why would Peter call it an "unlawful thing" in Acts 10:28? Not one commandment given by Yah makes associating with gentiles unlawful.

Also as linguistic proof, the Greek word used for unlawful (or "without law" or lawless) is "ANOMIA" (like in Matt 7:23), but the word in Acts 10:28 is "ATHEMITOS" which more so means "an unwritten rule"; "a taboo" or "not socially acceptable".

So this "cleanliness law" is purely traditional/Pharisaic. Yah merely commands "never learn the way of the heathen or worship how they worship", but to not even associating with gentiles (to make oneself clean?) is an elitist tradition, which nullifies the gospel.
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But Paul explains in Galatians Chapter 2 verse 11 that he saw Peter - who was in regular fellowship with gentiles since learning this lesson - revert back to keeping this traditional/pharisaic law of "separating from gentiles" to make himself "clean" once Jews (sent by James) reached him. We know that being afraid of how he appears was one of Peter's character flaws because he also denied Christ three times for fear of being associated with Him during Christ's arrest.

And then to make matters worse, other Jews who looked up to Peter as a pillar followed his example and also started reverting back to these same Pharisaic works to make themselves "clean" too.

Paul then gets to the point of his letter, which is, "none of these traditions they are reverting back to can make one clean. In fact no traditions of the law [TO CLEANSE, in context] can justify oneself. Only the faith in the blood of Christ can do that." Galatians 2:16.

Cleanse = Justify = Righteous. These words are interchangeable in the context Paul has established. This is why he says the following...


Galatians 2:17 (Berean)
17 But if, while we seek to be justified in Christ, we ourselves are found to be sinners, does that make Christ a minister of sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I have already torn down, I prove myself to be a LAWBREAKER.


Lawbreaking = sin = unclean. These words are interchangeable in the context Paul has established. So notice how the passage's point jumps at us when we interchange these words...


Galatians 2:17 (Berean)
17 But if, while we seek to be [cleansed] in Christ, we ourselves are found to be [lawbreakers], does that make Christ a minister of [lawbreaking]? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I have already torn down, I prove myself to be a [UNCLEAN].

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So the context of Galatians is "no traditions (of the law) SPECIFICALLY TO CLEANSE ONESELF will ever make oneself clean, but will actually makes oneself unclean now that Christ has provided his blood to cleanse." Paul is NOT saying "do not obey Yah's commandments". Paul is being very specific in what he's talking about. He's talking about the traditions/works that involved social separation, ritual cleansing and priestly blood ministry from animal sacrifice, which are exactly what the Pharisees would've continued to perform because they rejected Christ. Thus...


Galatians 2:19-21 (Berean) [Brackets are mine for context]
19 For through the Law [OF DEATH PAYMENT & BLOOD SACRIFICE TO CLEANSE] I died to the Law [OF DEATH PAYMENT & BLOOD SACRIFICE TO CLEANSE] so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ [IN FULFILLMENT OF DEATH PAYMENT & BLOOD SACRIFICE TO CLEANSE], and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the Law [OF DEATH PAYMENT & BLOOD SACRIFICE TO CLEANSE], Christ died for nothing.”

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Therefore we must have faith in Christ's blood, but we can't then become lawbreakers.

Yes, I am very tempted to give up discussing anything since it creates so much disagreement. But would it be fair NOT to say/explain something that could help another ? looks like one can't do right for doing wrong.

AHHHH the Son of man - who is also Lord of the Sabbath - and traditional christians DON'T want to know ! HE will sit in judgement and tell MANY...DEPART from me, I never knew you, you that work iniquity.
Indeed HOW could He know them when they followed the ROMAN jesus lord of sunday.
I think this is the whole problem in our discussions....people follow DIFFERENT [L]lords/[G]gods. It can only lead to FUTILE arguments and disagreements. UNTIL this is sorted and we all follow ONE GOD/LORD we will have no Peace !

You are putting too much of a spin on this...NOBODY here is condemning you, it's not our job. But we quote SCRIPTURE 2Tim 3v16 profitable for REPROOF CORRECTION and INSTRUCTION to perfect the man of God.....it's for all of us - but some reject it. To let you journey 'in peace would be to 'keep silent and let you go the way of DESTRUCTION....is that what you would call LOVE ??? should we not warn you ?

and why would He tell them to depart- because they did not feed the hungry, care for the sick, visit those in prison, etc.. not those who do not keep the jewish Sabbath.

I do not need to be warned. I am a Trinitarian Christian, I believe the words of the Father, who said of the Son "hear Him" , you do not.

the Son said "all authority has been given to Me ". I believe Him. all means all. studyman does not believe that Christ had the authority to forgive the thief on the cross at that moment. he calls the Son a liar.

the Son said whosoever believes in Him shall be saved. the word believe means believe. not keep the Law.

the N.T. says over and over " not under the Law, " not by works ".

the same greek word for law is used 190 or so times In the N.T. so, until ya'll produce a translation that divides the law into different parts, i'll go with language.

Christ did not rise on the Sabbath. total lie.

so there. YOU have ben warned. believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. those who do not BELIEVE will be condemned.

That was beautiful Yahshua. A true understanding of scriptures.

Paul is simply continuing his teaching from early on in Romans.

Rom. 2:
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom. 3:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

He Justifies now, not the Jews version of the Levitical Priesthood "Law of works"


27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by (the Law of) faith without the deeds of the law. (of works)

Can a person have "Faith" without the "Deeds" of the first and greatest Commandment?

I would say if Abraham is our example, "Faith" is defined by our willful submission and obedience to the first and greatest Commandment in the Law. I would say the Bible teaches without this "Law" there is no "Faith", no Salvation, no repentance, no Light in those who rebel against God and His Love..

I think Paul exposed this failure to submit to this "Law of Faith" in the Mainstream Preachers of his time and this refusal to "Keep God's Commandment" is the Root cause of their fall.

Rom. 1:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And Jesus confirms this teaching about the Mainstream Preachers of His time.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Once a person comes to grips with the two Laws Paul was speaking about. "Law of Faith vs. Law of Works" his letters becomes very clear.

Until then as Paul told Timothy.

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof (Truth): from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Great post Yehshua,

Truly explains Paul's context in Galatians.

Yes I also agree with Yahshua's post on Galatians and meant to say so ! (but got side-tracked)

the quoting system is still not being used properly in your post. Please fix it, and I will respond further. Do you wish help with the quoting system?

When they heard it, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, "O Lord, you are God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them; 25. who by the mouth of your servant, David, said, 'Why do the nations rage, and the peoples plot a vain thing? 26. The kings of the earth take a stand, and the rulers take council together, against the Lord, and against his Christ.' 27. "For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28. to do whatever your hand and your council foreordained to happen. 29. Now, Lord, look at their threats, and grant to your servants to speak your word with all boldness, 30. while you stretch out your hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of your holy Servant Jesus." 31. When they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were gathered together. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. 32. The multitude of those who believed were of one heart and soul. Not one of them claimed that anything of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33. With great power, the apostles gave their testimony of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. Great grace was on them all. 34. For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35. and laid them at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need. 36. Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of Encouragement), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race, 37. having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.

But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira, his wife, sold a possession, 2. and kept back part of the price, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3. But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4. While you kept it, didn't it remain your own? After it was sold, wasn't it in your power? How is it that you have conceived this thing in your heart? You haven't lied to men, but to God."

I say Amen to Jesus being lord of the Sabbath, and everything else!

Acts 10: 36. The word which he sent to the children of Israel, preaching good news of peace by Jesus Christ--he is Lord of all--

the accusation ((verse 2)) is that Christ's disciples do what is according to the Law not to be done on the sabbath.
the reply is threefold:

1. that David did what was forbidden by the Law and was not condemned for it ((vv. 3-4))
2. that by the Law itself the priests weekly desecrate the sabbath ((vv. 5-6))
3. that the Son is Lord of the sabbath ((v. 8))

i rather believe that quoting "He is Lord of the sabbath" as though it is incontrovertible evidence that believers must ritually observe the day reveals a very superficial and ignorant understanding of the passage. Christ's reply is frankly shocking. instead of directly defending the disciples actions He gives two examples of the Law being set aside, in the temple and on the sabbath, and declares Himself Lord over both things. a plain reading - astounding as it is - actually says quite the opposite of what is normally the intention of people who cite verse 8. is it any wonder then that the context is normally ignored?? the context makes this statement incredible!!

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would that be correct?