The Father's Time Element

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Noblemen

Senior Member
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#1
The fathers time element

Some time ago, a believer came
to me with the dilemma of wait-
ing for a visible sign of spiritual
growth. Desiring to be a spiritual
being more than anything, this be-
liever was caught in the throes of
God’s time element. The flesh was
seeking to find the deliverance so
needed at this time, but it was obvi-
ous that God was dealing with him
on an entirely different level of un-
derstanding. This unknown factor
of God’s dealings in a believer’s life
is controlled by times and a calen-
dar known only to God. I explained
to this hungry heart that the receiv-
ing of free gifts (salvation, healing,
baptism in the Holy Ghost, the
nine gifts of the Spirit, etc.) could
be received at any time by meeting
God’s conditions, but the growth in
our oneness with Christ was totally
controlled by the Father’s time ele-
ment.

The World Is A Schoolhouse:

Paul says, in Galatians 4:2, that
the son is under tutors and gov-
ernors until the time appointed of
the Father. The son, growing into
this knowledge of sonship, is totally
dependent on the Father for the
conclusion of the schooling. This
schooling is severe, often painful,
and greatly misunderstood by the
believer. This misunderstanding of
God’s dealings, or ignorance of His
eternal plan, only tends to prolong
the time element. Many believers
quit God during this time, feeling
that the Lord has forsaken them.
Oh, the great need for the ministry
to have a revelation of these deal-
ings in the believer’s life, so that
men today might have a Gospel
conducive to the workings of God
in individual lives! The believer I
was dealing with seemed to be en-
couraged that, in His time, God
would bring about His own will.
We are living in an era when men
are specializing in demanding God
to do things. Many programs of
man-made religion are in opera-
tion today, premised on the theory
that spiritual life can be received by
“following these simple rules,” or by
“reading this book,” or by “coming
to this meeting.” Such mortal ad-
vice gratifies the flesh but eventu-
ally ends in frustration because, in
the spiritual life, the Father reserves
the right to determine the school-
ing and time of graduation. Thus,
the time element becomes of great
significance. Carnal people always
resist God’s time element because
they want to get eternity and its
questions settled so they can enjoy
earthly life.

Levels of Growth:

God is not just interested in His
sons settling down to earthly living.
A babe might have a degree of such
motivation, but the Father will fill
the lacking knowledge with grace.
A son will be expected to be less
earthly, and God will give less grace.
Mature believers (those who have
crucified the flesh and brought its
motivations under subjection to the
spiritual man) will know they are
pilgrims, strangers, and sojourners
on earth. No spiritual believer will
question the time element of God’s
dealings in his life, because he does not analyze time according to the
earthly.
 

beta

Senior Member
Aug 8, 2016
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#2
The fathers time element

Some time ago, a believer came
to me with the dilemma of wait-
ing for a visible sign of spiritual
growth. Desiring to be a spiritual
being more than anything, this be-
liever was caught in the throes of
God’s time element. The flesh was
seeking to find the deliverance so
needed at this time, but it was obvi-
ous that God was dealing with him
on an entirely different level of un-
derstanding. This unknown factor
of God’s dealings in a believer’s life
is controlled by times and a calen-
dar known only to God. I explained
to this hungry heart that the receiv-
ing of free gifts (salvation, healing,
baptism in the Holy Ghost, the
nine gifts of the Spirit, etc.) could
be received at any time by meeting
God’s conditions, but the growth in
our oneness with Christ was totally
controlled by the Father’s time ele-
ment.

The World Is A Schoolhouse:

Paul says, in Galatians 4:2, that
the son is under tutors and gov-
ernors until the time appointed of
the Father. The son, growing into
this knowledge of sonship, is totally
dependent on the Father for the
conclusion of the schooling. This
schooling is severe, often painful,
and greatly misunderstood by the
believer. This misunderstanding of
God’s dealings, or ignorance of His
eternal plan, only tends to prolong
the time element. Many believers
quit God during this time, feeling
that the Lord has forsaken them.
Oh, the great need for the ministry
to have a revelation of these deal-
ings in the believer’s life, so that
men today might have a Gospel
conducive to the workings of God
in individual lives! The believer I
was dealing with seemed to be en-
couraged that, in His time, God
would bring about His own will.
We are living in an era when men
are specializing in demanding God
to do things. Many programs of
man-made religion are in opera-
tion today, premised on the theory
that spiritual life can be received by
“following these simple rules,” or by
“reading this book,” or by “coming
to this meeting.” Such mortal ad-
vice gratifies the flesh but eventu-
ally ends in frustration because, in
the spiritual life, the Father reserves
the right to determine the school-
ing and time of graduation. Thus,
the time element becomes of great
significance. Carnal people always
resist God’s time element because
they want to get eternity and its
questions settled so they can enjoy
earthly life.

Levels of Growth:

God is not just interested in His
sons settling down to earthly living.
A babe might have a degree of such
motivation, but the Father will fill
the lacking knowledge with grace.
A son will be expected to be less
earthly, and God will give less grace.
Mature believers (those who have
crucified the flesh and brought its
motivations under subjection to the
spiritual man) will know they are
pilgrims, strangers, and sojourners
on earth. No spiritual believer will
question the time element of God’s
dealings in his life, because he does not analyze time according to the
earthly.
To acquire patience and waiting on God can take many years. Since we are a 'short-living Creature we want everything 'instantly and some get weary of waiting. It can look as if God is doing nothing and it's all left to us to fight.
Of course GOD can afford to take his time but we are in rather a hurry and it is hard to keep going when we see so little results....however with persistence and Trust in the Lord our growth will become apparent. Refresh yourself in THE LORD - in HIS WORD - daily !
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
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#3
Paul says, in Galatians 4:2, that
the son is under tutors and gov-
ernors until the time appointed of
the Father. The son, growing into
this knowledge of sonship, is totally
dependent on the Father for the
conclusion of the schooling.
Galatians 4:3-7 makes it clear that as having believed in Christ, since He has come, we are sons, no longer under tutelage -- the schooling he is talking about in verse 2 is over -- the governorship of the Law having ended when Messiah appeared.
 

Noblemen

Senior Member
Jan 14, 2018
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149
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#4
To acquire patience and waiting on God can take many years. Since we are a 'short-living Creature we want everything 'instantly and some get weary of waiting. It can look as if God is doing nothing and it's all left to us to fight.
Of course GOD can afford to take his time but we are in rather a hurry and it is hard to keep going when we see so little results....however with persistence and Trust in the Lord our growth will become apparent. Refresh yourself in THE LORD - in HIS WORD - daily !
Yes and during the process we have this hope within us "Christ in you the hope of glory" we can endure anything with hope.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
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#5
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
(2 Peter 3:18)
For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives, so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way:
bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light.
(Colossians 1:9-12)

amen: be increasing in the knowledge of God :)
how long must we increase until we reach infinity?!

'this is eternal life, to know Him'

- but this is not what Galatians 4 is talking about
 

posthuman

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#6
A son will be expected to be less
earthly, and God will give less grace.
where does the idea "God will give less grace" to a son than a slave come from?
is this in the Bible in a place simply not coming to my mind?

And God is able to make all grace abound to you,
so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times,
you may abound in every good work.
(2 Corinthians 9:8)
 

Noblemen

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#7
Galatians 4:3-7 makes it clear that as having believed in Christ, since He has come, we are sons, no longer under tutelage -- the schooling he is talking about in verse 2 is over -- the governorship of the Law having ended when Messiah appeared.
The world is a schoolhouse and the C and S gang never ceases, the way we handle them does as mature sons
where does the idea "God will give less grace" to a son than a slave come from?
is this in the Bible in a place simply not coming to my mind?


And God is able to make all grace abound to you,
so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times,
you may abound in every good work.
(2 Corinthians 9:8)
Where did you get slave from, misquote.
 

posthuman

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#8
Mature believers (those who have
crucified the flesh and brought its
motivations under subjection to the
spiritual man)
the scripture seems to talk of being mature believers in terms of knowledge of God and of faith, speaking the truth ((something known and believed)) in love -- not in perfection of works.

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.
(Ephesians 4:11-15)

and the scripture speaks of everyone belonging to Christ as having flesh which is crucified with Him, not *
only* those whose bodies are fully brought into subjection to the Spirit.

Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

(Galatians 5:24-25)

in fact it is because we are crucified that we therefore ought walk in step with the Spirit.
you seem to have suggested the opposite: that we walk in the Spirit in order to crucify the flesh.
you got that upside down, bro, according to the Bible, AFAIK.
 

posthuman

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entire OP is a verbatim quote from "Life in the Son Magazine" issue #324 page 14

link to .pdf here:
http://www.christ-life.org/_literature_170992/Life_in_the_Son_324


are you Warren Litzman ((author of the article)), Noblemen, or are you kinda plagiarizing him?
it's forum policy to cite original authors, not to present them as though they are your own.
 

posthuman

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#12
entire OP is a verbatim quote from "Life in the Son Magazine" issue #324 page 14

link to .pdf here:
http://www.christ-life.org/_literature_170992/Life_in_the_Son_324


are you Warren Litzman ((author of the article)), Noblemen, or are you kinda plagiarizing him?
it's forum policy to cite original authors, not to present them as though they are your own.

i'm just wondering if i'm talking to the man who wrote the OP or if i'm talking to someone who just parroted it.
if you're not the author, i should maybe be using different pronouns :D
 

Noblemen

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#13
i'm just wondering if i'm talking to the man who wrote the OP or if i'm talking to someone who just parroted it.
if you're not the author, i should maybe be using different pronouns :D
And!!! You have no point
 

posthuman

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#14
And!!! You have no point
Lol please see all my previous posts which are full of points. I will be pleased to make even more points as i continue to find doctrines ideas and statements that do not agree withheld gospel and with the Bible.


BTW is that a yes or no about you actually being the author of the first post in this thread? You didn't answer but only attacked me in response. Thanks.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#16
A son will be expected to be less
earthly, and God will give less grace.
Mature believers (those who have
crucified the flesh and brought its
motivations under subjection to the
spiritual man) will know they are
pilgrims, strangers, and sojourners
on earth. No spiritual believer will
question the time element of God’s
dealings in his life, because he does not analyze time according to the
earthly.
I'm having trouble with the above. God will give less grace?

where is that in scripture? where does it say God ever runs out of grace or there is some kind of principal wherein God says to a person ' now now. you have had quite enough grace. now you need to act like you can walk this out because you are mature'

I've never heard of such a thing and most likely because it is not in the Bible

and saying no spiritual believer will question such and such...in this case, the time element?

may I mention Abraham and his wife? they were kinda bothered by it after trudging all over the place and still no child

when someone restricts God, they restrict His nature and IMO, illustrate they know less then they purport to know

and plagiarism is not a good thing