Modern science, ancient philosophy and the existence of God

"One minority point of view is there must be a cosmic conciousness reading the universe. Objects spring into being when measurements are made and measurements are made by conciousness beings. Hence there must be a cosmic conciousness that pervades the universe determining which state we are in.
Some, like Nobel laureate Eugene Wigner, have argued that this proves the existence of God or some cosmic conciousness."

Michio Kaku
Physics of impossible, page 243


"For in Him we live and move and are." [Which is probably a quote from Epimenides.]
Acts 17:28


Are we in a stage when the modern science got so deep that it is slowly discovering the Creator?

EXCELLENT THREAD!!

I hope to see others participate, because science absolutely proves the existence of God.

Agreed.
God is a conscious mind from which all existence comes from (The mind is what the bible calls the spirit). This means that everything is a degree of consciousness (including non living things like stones) because they all came from within God. Man is special creature because apart from being self aware (lowest form of consciousness), he has the knowledge of good and bad which is the highest form of consciousness.

Yes, we are hearing more and more scientists say their previously held beliefs are questionable. With the advancement of technology has as you put it gone deeper than ever before, and they have been confronted by the complexity of life at the micro level.

I saw a Christian based scientific documentary called "The programming of life" about 8 years ago, I was going to put a link here but I noticed they have made another one so I added it instead. It should be well worth watching if it's anything like the first one.

For me, the tell tale sign of where science is at today reflects on the PEW RESEARCH POLL:

Pew Research Poll is considered by all beliefs/non beliefs (atheist included), to be one of the most accurate Polls conducted without bias and accepted as most accurate.

Here is what PRP claims:

According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.
Scientists and Belief | Pew Research Center
www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

WOW, 51% scientists believe in some form of higher power/God.

That right there is a TESTIMONY!!

I’m not saying that these statistics aren’t accurate but I will say in general surveys are conducted and performed in a way to steer results in favour of a predetermined hypothesis.

I find it interesting that new age beliefs are constructed from old age beliefs. I’m at a point where I’ve sought God in so many places and learned so many things that my perception of Biblical Christianity isn’t exactly what most people believe it to be. My beliefs are too scientifically and metaphysically based to be accepted by the Church, yet still emphatically rooted and backed by scripture.

Unfortunately, the words of the Bible have been cemented within the construct of our understanding, leaving no room for clearer interpretation. The Bible as translated, has been taught as the Word of God but nobody really fathoms or cares to understand what that means.

The word translated as “word” was penned “logos”. “Logos” isn’t an arrangement of characters forming words. Words all represent thoughts. We convey our thoughts to one another by giving everything a word, then arranging the words within a taught system, which is language. Logos is where we get the term logic. Logos is order. Logos is thought. In your head before you attempt to put it on paper is, logos.

I’m afraid language does a fantastic job at misrepresenting logos. Christianity focuses on the “words” in the Bible and is slow to hone in on the “logos”. That is why there are so many denominations and so much infighting. We twist the “words” like a smooth talking attorney, to convince ourselves we are correct. This is called confirmation bias. Those who translated the Bible are guilty of this, as are all those who read it.

Although Scripture contains the “logos” of God, it is the Spirit who transforms our minds and teaches it to us. From what the Spirit has taught me, Christianity prefers to major in the carnal and physical, while, what Christ came to teach the Spiritual, the unseeable energetic force, vibrating throughout Creation, giving form to the “logos”.

I couldn't agree more!!
The perfect example was the polls having Hillary Clinton anywhere from 95-99% guaranteed to win the presidency.

My only point in the Pew Research Poll would be, that the majority of their polls cover secularism. So, for them to have a poll that basically gives God credit within the field of science, is a good step in the right direction finally!!

Seeing that the grandest invention known to man, the hydron collider at CERN, displays Shiva the “destroyer”, is a fantastic example of science embracing religion. They are even going so far as to say they are seeking the god particle. With Hittler having been deep into mysticism, and many of His scientists supposedly getting their information from”beyond”, it may have been better for civilization if they just stayed oblivious to divinity. It’s not the lack of knowledge that keeps men separated from God, it’s their lack of submission. Unfortunately I think that for every one scientist who stands for the unrefutable existence of our Almighty Creator, you will have one hundred or more gorging themselves on forbidden fruit, to be like Him.

Sorry but science can't prove the existence of God. It never had and never would! You recognize the word of Christ or you don't! That is it!

Science in found within the scriptures (specifically Job). Mathematics is found within the scriptures (specifically Job). The use of a tape measure is found within the scriptures (specifically Job). The study of the stars and patterns (mathematics) is found in Isaiah. Even the 4 rivers that ran in and out of Eden, are a mathematical and geological mapping pinpoint found within Genesis. The names of cities and countries and kings are archaeological mapping pinpoint (science) found throughout the entire Bible.

If anything, God ensured that His word and chosen people were aligned with many sciences and mathematics.

We know the BLOOD of Christ is life. DNA reveals that life is in the bloodline (science).


For all reasoning, Indeed, God's WORD is number one proof!!
But, if you understand both science and mathematics, you will understand how God used them. And understanding that God used them, opens many doors within science and mathematics to confirm and prove what God's word states!!

You definitely have spoken the absolute TRUTH!!

And with that, we must understand that CERN is not even 1% of science within the sciences. It's more of military defense gone awol to chase the things normal science would not be given grants for. But what I find interesting about CERN and their relativity with paganism and the occult, are those atheists who actually believe in nothing are trying to pick some deity to attempt to release upon society.

Revelations states that the bottomless pit will be opened and millions of demonic entities will be released upon society in the last days. We never know what God saw when He revealed things unto John 2,000 years ago. It would be quite intriguing if God saw CERN and is planning on using CERN as a portal to unleash evil. After all, we are just literally a rapture away from Revelation's prophesy concerning the bottomless pit being opened and coming to pass. And knowing that much, makes the rapture even closer and the beginning of Tribulation just around the corner, since we definitely are living in the "Last Days!!"

Science already has proved the existence of God. Time and again, laboratory trials testify to His handiwork. Predictability is the number one proof. When offspring are born, there is absolute assurance it will resemble the likeness of the parents (species). That’s because of design. Design indicates a designer. To be a practicing atheist these days requires a great amount of faith, or stupidity. The existence of God is obvious. All that is being debated is His character.

Science has been good to find the laws of nature which include predictability. You can interpret them the way it fits your agenda but the facts are they are still law of nature. No scientific experiments has succeeded yet to see God directly or indirectly... There are no unambiguous forensic that points toward her Majesty...

Without law there is only chaos. Laws of nature are not possible without a Lawmaker. This website is possible by a program. The program was based on a code. The code was designed. Creation consists of a code far more intricate than the one produced for this website. Do you suppose this site could have organized itself? Of course not! Science is based on observations. Patterns, predictability and reproducibility. Ignoring the obvious conclusion that we are all part of a system that is organized and controlled by a higher power is intellectual dishonesty. God is the name that many have chosen to label this power, and science points continually to this conclusion. What it has not concluded is whether Jehovah, the God of the Bible is this power.