Rapture

What is so bad about saying that Matthew 24:29-31 correlates with:

Isaiah 27:12-13 -

12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

[and]

Isaiah 24:21-23 - [correlating with the timing of Rev19:19/16:14-16, i.e. His Second Coming to the earth]

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited/punished.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.


[note: this "gathering [verb]" in Isa27:12-13 is "ONE BY ONE" [AFTER the trib] (gathered by angels He SHALL SEND to do so, Matt24:29-31) rather than "AS ONE"-->the ONE BODY, the Church which is His body, caught up... to the meeting [noun] of the Lord "in the air"... and it is here "the LORD HIMSELF"]

Some info on the mark of the beast.
Spoonjuly is right. The mark of the beast is not worldwide.

And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Don't let the word ALL mislead you. The word all here is word 'pas' which means individually. This passage doesn't imply the entire planet will receive a mark but only those under the authority of and within the kingdom of the false prophet.

The word all is probably the most misunderstood and mistranslated word in the bible. When the word all is used without the article as it is here, it means, "every kind or every variety." This indicates ALL within his kingdom, NOT the entire planet.

The forehead and the right hand have significance in Islam. They wear turbans. The harlot of Revelation 17 has Babylon the Great written on her forehead. Fanatical Muslim's like to show off their zebiba.

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This is the zebiba or 'raisin.' It's a patch of hardened skin that forms on the forehead of fanatical Muslims from repeatedly hitting the mat. A Muslim's forehead hits the mat at least 35 times a day in submission to Allah resulting in over a million prostrations in a lifetime. It will not be worldwide but limited to Muslim dominated countries and possibly only within the ten nation Islamic Empire of the beast.

The Koran, which according to two Islamic scholars has 6, 666 verses in it, may be required to carry in your right hand when purchasing or selling.

Well the Rapture definitely means flying off to Heaven, whether you believe it or not. Did Enoch and Elijah not fly off to Heaven? So why not all the saints of God at the Resurrection/Rapture?

Or are you afraid of this supernatural event which is incomprehensible to the human mind?

Perhaps you are referring to a believing Jewish remnant (represented by the woman) which is preserved by God in the wilderness during the reign of the Antichrist (Rev 12:6, 14-16). Other than that group all those who refuse to take the Mark are beheaded (Rev 20:14).

TRIBULATION/THE GREAT TRIBULATION (GT).

One of the areas that is often misunderstood just like Christ's coming and rapture. Majority think that tribulation will be a very intense moment with regard to great suffering for some years (either 7 years or 3.5 years).

I'm sorry but we are already deep into the great tribulation and no one even realizes it- those that worship the antichrist continue doing so and those that know their God continue doing so. The worst thing about end times is dying while not knowing God, if anyone doesn't know God they belong to antichrist; this is what makes the end times and the GT dangerous.

But what really is the GT? It is death by: sword (wars), Pestilences (Diseases), Famine (Natural disasters), beasts of the earth (machinery & animals- basically accidents). These are the only known means of people dying whether believers or not. So no one claim a 3.5 years intense moment in the future, of course it will get worse as time goes but we are in it already.

The only people that will survive these are the 144000 faithful servants because they know God fully, rather God has given a heart to know Him just like Daniel and friends.
The details of GT are in Rev 6.
It starts with white horse rider going out on a conquest; this is satan going out to capture people with lies
After people are captured and their minds misdirected from God then satan goes out (second and third horses) to cause wars/famine/pestilences/accidents and eventually death (the fourth horse).

The capturing of people's mind through lies is what is called the abomination that causes desolate. Through the lies people worship satan as if he was God therefore he occupies the temple of God.

What is happening now is the same same same script with what happened to Daniel and friends. There are two groups of believers, those that are unfaithful and undergo tribulation and die so that their faith is refined and those that are faithful and will be protected and will not die. In fact, what happened to Daniel is a prophesy of what is happening to us:

Jer 24:
1After Jehoiachina son of Jehoiakim king of Judah and the officials, the skilled workers and the artisans of Judah were carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, the Lordshowed me two baskets of figs placed in front of the temple of the Lord. 2One basket had very good figs, like those that ripen early; the other basket had very bad figs, so bad they could not be eaten.
3Then the Lord asked me, “What do you see, Jeremiah?”
“Figs,” I answered. “The good ones are very good, but the bad ones are so bad they cannot be eaten.”
4Then the word of the Lord came to me: 5“This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Like these good figs, I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I sent away from this place to the land of the Babylonians.b 6My eyes will watch over them for their good, and I will bring them back to this land. I will build them up and not tear them down; I will plant them and not uproot them. 7I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the Lord. They will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart.
8“ ‘But like the bad figs, which are so bad they cannot be eaten,’ says the Lord, ‘so will I deal with Zedekiah king of Judah, his officials and the survivors from Jerusalem, whether they remain in this land or live in Egypt.9I will make them abhorrent and an offense to all the kingdoms of the earth, a reproach and a byword, a cursec and an object of ridicule, wherever I banish them. 10I will send the sword, famine and plague against them until they are destroyed from the land I gave to them and their ancestors.’ ”

Buying and selling has nothing to do with the market either, its spiritual meaning is worship.

Addition.

The idea that the great trib will be an intense moment contradicts the words of Jesus at the olivet discourse; Jesus said just like the days of Noah and the days of Lot, everything will be NORMAL, people will be marrying and being given to marriage, drinking and eating and partying.

Everything is normal now yet people are dying by diseases/wars/accidents/natural disasters so we only waiting for the end of this age, nothing more. Both believers and non believers are being harvested just as it is written in Revelation 14- the angel with sharp sickle harvests both grapes and tares.

The mark on the right hand or forehead is not a physical mark

The point I was makeing was right before the very begining or within the 3 1/2 years because 1 is pre, and the other is mid A week later would still be mid??

Not quite sure what you are saying above. However, the key to understanding the chronological order of Revelation, is found in Rev.1:19, when John is told to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 to 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the churches, which prophetically represent the entire church period

What must take place later = Everything that takes place after the "what is now," i.e. after the church period.

Currently, we are still in the "what is now" part of what John was told to write. Once the church has been completed, the "what is now" portion will be fulfilled and the "what must take place later" will ensue, which is synonymous with Rev.4:1-2 when John is caught up to heaven where he is told "I will show you what must take place after this." Rev.4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to the church being caught up and which is why we no longer see the word "church" appear after this event. God doesn't do coincidences and so there is a reason for the disappearance of the word "church" from chapter 4 onward.

Noose said,


Am I reading you right? Do you mean Stock Market? That may be true. But the mark does have all to do with buying and selling.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their forehead: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 14 is where the rapture takes place. It's during the last trump, the seventh trump.

Well it is a physical mark...

1. a stamp, an imprinted mark
   1. of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist
   2. the mark branded upon horses
2. thing carved, sculpture, graven work.

Mark of the beast

666 is the number of the beast who is the antichrist, and you are also told to calculate the number of the beast. So it is not just a number, it is a calculation.

Buy and sell means worship. The antichrist does no other work apart from trying to prevent worship of God- those that receive his mark worship him, those that don't receive his mark know the true God and worship God alone, so he kills them.

When Jesus got them buying and selling in the temple, he said "..it is written my Father's house is a place of worship for all nations, not a den of robbers.."

Buy and sell means worship. The antichrist does no other work apart from trying to prevent worship of God- those that receive his mark worship him, those that don't receive his mark know the true God and worship God alone, so he kills them.

When Jesus got them buying and selling in the temple, he said "..it is written my Father's house is a place of worship for all nations, not a den of robbers.."

Not quite sure what you are saying above. However, the key to understanding the chronological order of Revelation, is found in Rev.1:19, when John is told to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 to 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the churches, which prophetically represent the entire church period

What must take place later = Everything that takes place after the "what is now," i.e. after the church period.

Currently, we are still in the "what is now" part of what John was told to write. Once the church has been completed, the "what is now" portion will be fulfilled and the "what must take place later" will ensue, which is synonymous with Rev.4:1-2 when John is caught up to heaven where he is told "I will show you what must take place after this." Rev.4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to the church being caught up and which is why we no longer see the word "church" appear after this event. God doesn't do coincidences and so there is a reason for the disappearance of the word "church" from chapter 4 onward.

Yes 666 calculated is 2/3 used as a dividing line in the scriptures.



It is the number of unregenerarted man as a beast of the field. The mark of Cain a restless wanderer, receiving no Sabbath rest.

To buy means to...
to be in the market place, to attend it
to do business there, buy or sell

To sell means to...
to barter, to sell
sellers

This is literal buying and selling and nothing else.

The mark isn't imposed by the anti-Christ. It's imposed by the two horned beast which represents the false prophet who is Islamic. The two horns are the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam, also AKA the iron and clay.