Is Prosperity For The Present Church?

Amen, but I believe Christian automatically prosper because have trillions dollar in the bank of heaven. You can pray to make me poor, but God not let me. I start to learn to believe that I have trillion dollar in my account in the bank of heaven and not interested in temporal account in the bank If america.

I did not.

I am just illustrating that our earthly riches is not what we are supposed to incorporate into our religion. In such a case, the RCC would be the most blessed church by God.

with Mormons and Muslims next on the list...

sing along with me

Lol, I am afraid I am not going to sell everything I have, at least not now. But its some kind of Christian ideal, yeah...

The reward we all agree on is the same wage, a penny.

I can remember the penny candy as a child, it was heavenly LOL

For who is it that God has not done the work of making different? What do we have that we have not received and if we have received it why would we boast as if we have not.

Matthew 20:2And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

Matthew 20:9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

Matthew 20:10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

Matthew 20:13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

"penny" isn't even a word that exists in Greek or even in Hebrew.
the parable says a denarius, which at the time was a fair day's wage.
apparently in 1611 a days wage was a pence.

I didn't pray for you to be poor. I just prayed to affirm your believe.

Thanks my brother, I believe in the Word. I learn not focus oN earthly wealth, I learn, mean not always success. I am glad you pray for me. And I Will pray for you aswell hope you focus oN the thing wich are seen


2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The problem, is that you know nothing of how to read the bible, in context. Interpretation is important. If you want, I can show you the demons are saved.

"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that..." James 2:19
"They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved..." Acts 16:31

Therefore, if the demons believe in God, they must be saved! Of course, this is the best possible example of bad hermeneutics or taking things out of context, because the demons are NOT saved.

This is how your word faith people take things out of context. They mash parts of verses together. They fail to recognize what it means in context of the people it was written to, as well, as looking at the verses around it.The verse in Acts, was written to the jailer in Philippi, after Paul and Silas were released from prison. The verses in James is about works or deeds verses faith. A hard part of the Bible anyway! But certainly not a proof text that even demons can be saved.

My advice is you take some recognized courses on hermeneutics or Bible interpretation, maybe learn Greek and Hebrew, to say nothing of book studies, so you learn to read the Bible in context, instead of pulling out a few verses, ripped from their context and then twisting them to mean something the people they were written to would not recognize, let alone modern readers.

And when you have finished your MDiv, and are doing your PhD in theology, like I am, then we can talk again. Bible interpretion, unlike you seem to think, is not just deciding things mean whatever you want them to. Bible interpretation is about correctly reading the verse, the passage,and chapter and the book, in context of the rest of the Bible.

It is really a serious offense against God to constantly post here your erroneous beliefs, and never even support them with real verses, in the passage, with numbers. Of course, you really can't do that, because there are none, when you read them in context. Or know Greek and Hebrew! (Which I do, since you are a newbie)

Scripture tells us over and over that there are material gains to be had for living God's way. There are saintly people who have no material gain, it is true. We do not know why. But as a general rule, if we look at our world today, we can find it is true. Even though we also find material wealth among the evil people.

Look at the Jews. For years it was common among them to use what God teaches as a pattern for their life. They have more wealth, more education, more honors than any other race.

Gentiles have Christ, and they achieve even though they don't have Christ. But gentiles have tossed out the Father as the God source. The Father was the one who raised His Son, Christ did not raise Himself, yet the church today puts what the Father says in a sort of back seat. They say the Father is against sin, the Son forgives it, forgetting that from the time of Eve the Father plans for our eternal life and forgiving our sin, teaching us to live for God not for sin.

If our world consisted of people who love God and lived for Him, it would not only have eternal life but it would have abundance.

I do not know about material gain, but Jesus forbid us to lay up treasures oN earth


Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

King James Version (KJV)
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There is a BIG difference between God supplying our needs abundantly and people treasuring material things above the Lord.

How about rich, is there any different between rich and abundant

Yep see my post 157.

Money as such is NOT evil. It is neutral. But it is THE LOVE OF MONEY which is the root of all evil.

The Prosperity Gospel is a BOGUS GOSPEL. You will not find any such Gospel in Scripture. But if a Christian happens to be wealthy, he has been given a stewardship to invest in the Kingdom of God. However, if he starts loving his money more than anything else, he becomes an IDOLATER, since covetousness is idolatry.

The Rich Young Ruler who came to Jesus was a good moral man (according to himself). But he was an idolater in the eyes of the Lord, therefore he was told to divest himself of all his wealth and follow Christ. But that was too much for him, so he walked away from his own salvation. Thus the Lord pointed out that it was generally very difficult for the rich to enter into the Kingdom of God.

So you believe abundant may not rich

Jesus say It is easier for camel to enter the eye of nidle than rich man go to heaven.

There is no requirement that somebody has to love his money more than anything else to be in a bad situation.

Money is a wordly thing, the more you have it, the more you are related to this world and to his affairs and as you know, this world is in enmity to spiritual realities. Its like a thornbush.

Its good to have enough for our wordly needs. Its good to have low wordly needs.

I liked the comment that money is neutral. God does not want us to make it the center of our life whether we have lots of everything or we are very needy.

If we are blessed with money, we are to understand that it comes from the Lord and we are to treat it that way. If we are needy, we are to calmly do the best we can to supply our needs and then have faith in that the Lord will supply. We are not to fret about it but accept the place we are at bravely.

We live in a world that is filled with sin and much of what it consists of is a reflection of that. We must share in the suffering that brings on.