Being indifferent to politics in your country is no longer an option? Rise: In Defense of Judeo-Christian Values and Freedom

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Yes, a really long thread first post. But no matter how far you read do yourself as a Christian and your family, kids, and American and any country where you may reside, a favor. Read, consider reading the book RISE. And whatever you do, get active locally in politics or at least in your kids school. And find out what Muslim activists are up to. Because you may be apathetic about politics. But Muslim "radicals" are not.





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“It is our responsibility to recognize and confront evil in the world—and I’m convinced that if we fail in that mission, it will lead us to disaster. That’s why I applaud Brigitte for writing Rise....If you’re a concerned American who wants to know the truth, you need to read this book!” —SEAN HANNITY Host, Hannity on Fox News

Rise is a must-read for every American who senses the perilous path we’re on and wants to do their part to change the course of our country.” —JUDGE JEANINE PIRRO Host, Justice With Judge Jeanine on Fox News

“Rise is a searing, truth-telling exposé of the growing threat to the values of Judeo-Christian civilization.” —DINESH D’SOUZA Author and Filmmaker

“No one is more passionate. No one is more clear. No one is more fearless.” —LT. COL. ALLEN B. WEST, US ARMY, RET. Former Member, 112th US Congress

“Brigitte Gabriel is a fierce and fearless patriot who fights every day to defend America and the West from civilizational threats at home and abroad. Heed her warnings. Follow her lead. Support her work. Brigitte is an invaluable beacon for freedom!” —MICHELLE MALKIN Author and Political Commentator; Senior Editor, Conservative Review

About the Author

BRIGITTE GABRIEL is one of the leading terrorism experts in the world, providing information and analysis on the rise of global Islamic terrorism. She lectures nationally and internationally about terrorism and current affairs. She has addressed the United Nations, members of the US Congress, the Pentagon, the Joint Forces Staff College, the US Special Operations Command, the FBI, and many others. In addition, Gabriel is a regular guest analyst on Fox News channel, CNN, MSNBC, and radio stations across America. Gabriel is founder and chairman of ACT for America, the largest grassroots national security organization in the United States with over 750,000 members to promote Western values. She is the author of two New York Times best sellers: Because They Hate and They Must Be Stopped.



ACT for America’s mission is focused on educating, engaging, and mobilizing citizens and elected officials to impact legislative outcomes to keep America safe and secure. Through training and education ACT for America is empowering citizens to help prevent criminal activity and terrorism while preserving civil liberties protected by the US constitution.

Christian friends that I've known for years respond when I ask them if at least this year they'll participate in the November mid-term elections. And each time election rolls around I ask that same thing, thinking the latest secular news concerning the American national landscape and future may inspire them to say and commit to , yes!
Not a chance. They tell me that we as those in Christ are in this world but we're not to be concerned nor fearful for what transpires as God is in control.

I can't help wonder if they'd be easily pushed to be Christian Scientists. And then fear for their kids for a moment until that curiosity passes.

When it comes to national politics they say we're to be tolerant, and accepting of those who wish to enter our great land. They're all for amnesty, and immigration. And they question the early Trump EO's and concerns that barred entry by Islamists who's point of origin was a known terrorist or radical country.

Well, Muslims certainly love that indifference. Islam is not concessional. It is not supportive of diversity. Islam is not really a religious faith. It is a political ideology.
And in America that would mean Islam has no first amendment protection. But try to institute that and see how far Congress gets. Not that they'd try.
I just finished "RISE". I'm waiting to see if my library can acquire a couple of the other titles the author has out. However, if you can only read RISE, it is worth your time.

There is a un-reported concerted effort by Muslim political activists in this country to install Sharia by any means possible. And without a spoiler here, believe it or not, what is typically thought of as a all borders ultra-conservative state, Texas, was the first on record to concede to the push. TEXAS? Yes, Texas.
This now makes sense when hearing just this week that a county in Texas is openly Blue(Liberal).

If you have kids in public school, RISE is a must. Because in Islamic countries Muslim children are taught to memorize the Koran cover to cover. Hardwired to hold allegiance for not only Islam but Sharia. And as such, Muslim activists in America are starting in our government public schools to infiltrate their Sharia and "religious" , political, ideology into open malleable young minds. Whether the child is Muslim already or not.

The meaning of Islam is, not that of peace and tolerance. The meaning literally of "Islam" is an Arabic word meaning, submission. To the will of Allah. Who is not the same God as ours. Do not be let to believe that propaganda. Here is how you know it is propaganda and a blatant lie. In the Koran Muslims are taught Allah has no son.
That precludes Islam from even being rightly, righteously, considered an Abrahamic faith like that of Judaism and Christianity. As in, rooted in the bosom of Abraham.

Pray for America. If you pray for people in Iran and Muslim countries where terrorism is an everyday thing and way of life, get active in American politics. And especially if you are a parent with children in public school.

If you're a Christian you're muted or abused for practicing your faith openly in government schools. But you notice, "Freedom From Religion" foundation never tries to muzzle Muslim religious freedom in schools?

Recently a school withdrew a video of their team coach leading a prayer for a child in the school that needs a transplant. Why? FFRF threatened them with a lawsuit. Invoking separation of church and state. The schools legal team recommended the video be taken down because FFRF was right.
No, they weren't. But that's how Christian freedom is being eroded in this country. And FFRF is led by a former pastor.

Get active while you can. Because if you don't one day your grandchildren may awaken to their day and go to school as usual. But right around mid-day the Azan is broadcast over the school PA system. And everybody stops what they're doing so as to turn toward Mecca, even out of "respect".

Impossible? Snowflakes are not just for winter anymore.



There are those of us who in the safe confines of our homes typing in this forum, maybe even in reply to this thread, that will answer, NEVER!, to the question, would you die for Christ? Would you die before you'd abandon your faith under threat of death and convert to any other religion? (Or political ideology)?
Really? Well if you'd give your life for Christ why would we not give time to getting politically active against what is a quiet, as in no media coverage to speak of, at least not the degree of which would be broadcast were a bunch of Christians trying to turn America into a Theocracy that prosecutes God's law, agenda, a push, to introduce Sharia into American law.

Islam does not play well with others. Thinking the Muslim you may know who's sweet and abiding is an example of Islam is wrong. Read the Koran. Take the time to do that and you'll see that as there are Fundy's among our own, there are Fundy's among theirs. But their religious book doesn't have an old and a new way of living in God. Their book has one way of living in Allah. And all the world must submit, convert, or die, if any person disagrees.

Think of the children. We hear that stanza when some new pursuit to repeal free speech, or free expression, is pursued in local or federal legislature. Think of the children if you don't want your daughters to look like walking trashbags in future. Being stoned to death because they are blamed for their own rape.
That happens now in Islamic countries. Think of the worst you've seen there and imagine, regardless of the Constitution, which can be amended, it happening here.

Visualize, Sharia punishment in the USA. (Strict search filter. No explicit images linked)
Just this year women in Saudi Arabia, strictly Muslim with no tolerance for Christian's and there's not a Christian church anywhere that is public, were just recently permitted to drive without being killed for daring to.

Yeah. Driving.
 

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Sorry @Lillywolf I think, the REAL BAD GUYS are the oil companies. They're pitting nation against nation like roosters at a cock fight and laughing all the way to the bank. They don't care about God, country, children or the planet. They don't believe in heaven, hell, God, Satan, Buddha or Shakespeare. They want it all and they want it now! They don't care how many people get killed or what happens to the planet after they're gone. What is the root of all evil? Lucifer? NO! The love of money is. That's my opinion.
 

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Sorry @Lillywolf I think, the REAL BAD GUYS are the oil companies. They're pitting nation against nation like roosters at a cock fight and laughing all the way to the bank. They don't care about God, country, children or the planet. They don't believe in heaven, hell, God, Satan, Buddha or Shakespeare. They want it all and they want it now! They don't care how many people get killed or what happens to the planet after they're gone. What is the root of all evil? Lucifer? NO! The love of money is. That's my opinion.
Bob.. Bob... Bob... You're an interesting dude. A flower child that morphed into a Jesus movement believer from the late 6os early 70s if I remember your story right. God love you!

But man, you bought into this corporations are evil stuff!

Corporations aren't moral or immoral. They operate a business to make profit. It's what we all do on a smaller scale.

NOTHING has improved the lives of billions of people more than fossil fuels over the past 150yrs.

EVERYTHING you touch or do derives in some fashion from oil. From the computer you type on, both the material and energy that runs it, to the food in your refrigerator, and EVEYTHING IN BETWEEN is possible because of oil and other fossil fuels.

I truly thank God for the incredible blessing of oil.
 

calibob

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Bob.. Bob... Bob... You're an interesting dude. A flower child that morphed into a Jesus movement believer from the late 6os early 70s if I remember your story right. God love you!

But man, you bought into this corporations are evil stuff!

Corporations aren't moral or immoral. They operate a business to make profit. It's what we all do on a smaller scale.

NOTHING has improved the lives of billions of people more than fossil fuels over the past 150yrs.

EVERYTHING you touch or do derives in some fashion from oil. From the computer you type on, both the material and energy that runs it, to the food in your refrigerator, and EVEYTHING IN BETWEEN is possible because of oil and other fossil fuels.

I truly thank God for the incredible blessing of oil.
yes, true but they are now buying politicians.. That's way bad. A moral is still bad.
 

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yes, true but they are now buying politicians.. That's way bad. A moral is still bad.
I'm sure that's true. But it's also true for every other industry or organized group out there. Some of it is legal through lobbyists.
You've been around the block enough to know there are bad actors in every segment of society, including "Christians". Those that break the law, and hurt others because of greed, need to punished. No question about that. But let's not impugn a whole industry over the actions of some bad apples.

And no. Neither I, nor anyone I know, work in the petrol industry! Lol
 

calibob

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I'm sure that's true. But it's also true for every other industry or organized group out there. Some of it is legal through lobbyists.
You've been around the block enough to know there are bad actors in every segment of society, including "Christians". Those that break the law, and hurt others because of greed, need to punished. No question about that. But let's not impugn a whole industry over the actions of some bad apples.

And no. Neither I, nor anyone I know, work in the petrol industry! Lol
I THINK THE BAD APPLES ARE INCHARGE OF IT and I have worked for them. As a painter & auto mechanic.
 

calibob

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my last 6 years as a mechanic I became an emissions controls inspector with a license from the State of California. btw I painted oil drilling platforms at sea.
 

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Sorry @Lillywolf I think, the REAL BAD GUYS are the oil companies. They're pitting nation against nation like roosters at a cock fight and laughing all the way to the bank. They don't care about God, country, children or the planet. They don't believe in heaven, hell, God, Satan, Buddha or Shakespeare. They want it all and they want it now! They don't care how many people get killed or what happens to the planet after they're gone. What is the root of all evil? Lucifer? NO! The love of money is. That's my opinion.
How does Sharia agenda and Muslims , which is what this thread is about, turn around to making it the oil companies fault? No, I'm not asking for an answer because that would take this further off topic. I'm just pointing out a derailing of what is a very real agenda of Muslims entering this country illegally and who are here legally also, but are active against this nation and its people.

Let's get to that topic. If oil companies are an issue then start a very pertinent thread to that end please.
 

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Our war isn't against flesh and blood. Christ commanded us to be distinct from the world, to be distinguishable from the world. Christ's purpose for His church is to be salt and light. If persecution comes to Christians, that's only what Jesus foretold would happen. The world is in the power of the wicked one however you slice it, whether a nation is culturally Christian or not, it doesn't matter. The worst thing the church can do is play the world at its own game in the arena of ugly politics, because ultimately the church will lose, persecution will come on even stronger and the purity of the gospel is tainted, because there are many evil politicians who seek out the fear and resentment Christians harbour within themselves.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be active in politics if the opportunity arises. My point is that too many of us are missing what the church is supposed to be about, and that's giving glory to God, edifying the saints and being a testimony of the gospel to the unbelieving world. Instead of viewing Muslims as the enemy or anti-Christian left wingers as adversaries, we should see the power behind them that's taking advantage of their souls: the devil. We should feel sorry for them, because they have no hope, only what the devil has taught them. Does voting defeat the power of the devil? No, it never will. We have a weapon that can change hearts, and that's the sword of the Spirit, let's not forget what matters to Christ. It's better to lose elections and win souls, not vice versa.
 

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Jesus was a revolutionary that took on not only the politic of the Hebrews temple, but that of the Roman empire. Can we, who live for eternity due to the sacrifice he made to fulfill the promise, do less in our own time? Especially against an enemy as was extant in his day? One that would oppose the faith of Christ and wipe it and its people from the face of the earth due to our being in that enemy's view, blasphemers and followers of a false Messiah.
Just as the elders of the temple who challenged Jesus when he stood before them as the son of God. God in the flesh, because in the grace mission, the covenant could not be fulfilled since God cannot die. But he in the flesh of a man, born as we are, gifted with the holy spirit's power to heal, raise the dead, prophecy, cast out demons, and die to save the world, did fulfill the covenant for which he was born.
And the Roman's , a political ideology dedicated to world conquest, like the political ideology that is Islam, polytheistic, tolerant of other faiths because it was easier to let the conquered hope than to conquer their heart and mind dedicated to their unique individual god(s) and goddesses, did not tolerate sedition. When Jesus was before Pilate the King of Heaven, "my kingdom is not of this world", he was a threat. Because he did not bend the knee to either Caesar, or the temple elders charges against him.

If Jesus could stand against the enemies of God in the temple and in the secular political realm that ruled the region where he preached, how do we living in his name decline when once again that enemy appears using religion and world conquest as its weapon against all the world?
Islam is not inclusive! If the wars of ancient times between Crusaders and Muslim armies does not show us that from days past, how can we hope to survive when the battle cry is echoing again? And against Christians. Again!

What? You have your head? Your daughter isn't being stoned to death for wearing yoga pants in public?
Yet?

TOLERANCE!

Haven't you read? Christ taught no such thing.
God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus taught love but he did not teach us to tolerate evil, cults, the imposition of other religions gods into our lives. God in the OT did not tolerate those who worshiped other gods. He did not say, let us all get along as one. We have our temple, you all have your, whatever.

Tolerate a political ideology that exhibits its intent, philosophy, laws, and practice, in other places in the world? We read those headlines because they're not happening to us and we pray for the victims. Then we make excuses in a thread like this as to why we're not to do anything now to prevent being the headline in some other western nations paper. Will anyone there pray for us?
Or will they be too busy being called by the Azan to turn toward Mecca.
Or die.
 

calibob

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How does Sharia agenda and Muslims , which is what this thread is about, turn around to making it the oil companies fault? No, I'm not asking for an answer because that would take this further off topic. I'm just pointing out a derailing of what is a very real agenda of Muslims entering this country illegally and who are here legally also, but are active against this nation and its people.

Let's get to that topic. If oil companies are an issue then start a very pertinent thread to that end please.
that's where the money comes from. Investigation 101 follow the money!
 

Lillywolf

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that's where the money comes from. Investigation 101 follow the money!
Please stop taking this off topic. I know it isn't against the rules to do that but it should be a matter of respect not to when asked to stop, twice. Thank you in advance.

If you would like to pursue your thoughts please consider starting your own thread. The more we know the better. But it isn't polite to segway into that topic and derail this one.
 

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Jesus was a revolutionary that took on not only the politic of the Hebrews temple, but that of the Roman empire. Can we, who live for eternity due to the sacrifice he made to fulfill the promise, do less in our own time? Especially against an enemy as was extant in his day? One that would oppose the faith of Christ and wipe it and its people from the face of the earth due to our being in that enemy's view, blasphemers and followers of a false Messiah.
Just as the elders of the temple who challenged Jesus when he stood before them as the son of God. God in the flesh, because in the grace mission, the covenant could not be fulfilled since God cannot die. But he in the flesh of a man, born as we are, gifted with the holy spirit's power to heal, raise the dead, prophecy, cast out demons, and die to save the world, did fulfill the covenant for which he was born.
And the Roman's , a political ideology dedicated to world conquest, like the political ideology that is Islam, polytheistic, tolerant of other faiths because it was easier to let the conquered hope than to conquer their heart and mind dedicated to their unique individual god(s) and goddesses, did not tolerate sedition. When Jesus was before Pilate the King of Heaven, "my kingdom is not of this world", he was a threat. Because he did not bend the knee to either Caesar, or the temple elders charges against him.

If Jesus could stand against the enemies of God in the temple and in the secular political realm that ruled the region where he preached, how do we living in his name decline when once again that enemy appears using religion and world conquest as its weapon against all the world?
Islam is not inclusive! If the wars of ancient times between Crusaders and Muslim armies does not show us that from days past, how can we hope to survive when the battle cry is echoing again? And against Christians. Again!

What? You have your head? Your daughter isn't being stoned to death for wearing yoga pants in public?
Yet?

TOLERANCE!

Haven't you read? Christ taught no such thing.
God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus taught love but he did not teach us to tolerate evil, cults, the imposition of other religions gods into our lives. God in the OT did not tolerate those who worshiped other gods. He did not say, let us all get along as one. We have our temple, you all have your, whatever.

Tolerate a political ideology that exhibits its intent, philosophy, laws, and practice, in other places in the world? We read those headlines because they're not happening to us and we pray for the victims. Then we make excuses in a thread like this as to why we're not to do anything now to prevent being the headline in some other western nations paper. Will anyone there pray for us?
Or will they be too busy being called by the Azan to turn toward Mecca.
Or die.
Revolutionary? Revolutions by definition involve war and bloodshed to achieve a political goal. Not once did Christ use His authority to usurp the Roman rulers, nor the Sanhedrin though He had the power to. Not once did the apostles call for a resistance amongst the saints against Roman persecution. Christ came to lay down His life, and we are called to partake in His crucifixion daily. Christ is a conquerer of the spiritual powers of the wicked one, and His kingdom is not of this world. I think you're gravely misrepresenting the holy purposes of the Lord's first coming, of the function of the church on earth.

If you're worried about persecution wiping out Christianity in the world, I want to know why. Don't you think the devil has been trying from the beginning? Do you think God would allow it? Realise where your faith is. What's happening in the West is nothing compared to what happens to the saints in China, North Korea or most Islamic nations, and I know that every day a saint dies in those countries they receive a crown of life. We in the West should be following their example. We in the west have had it so good that we don't realise, and it's tragic.

Being demonised for our faith is always unpleasant, but what you're calling for will not succeed in anything Christ wills.
 

calibob

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Please stop taking this off topic. I know it isn't against the rules to do that but it should be a matter of respect not to when asked to stop, twice. Thank you in advance.

If you would like to pursue your thoughts please consider starting your own thread. The more we know the better. But it isn't polite to segway into that topic and derail this one.
I thought the topic was politics. I made my political stance. Oil Is funding the enemy.
 

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I understand you don't drive a car Bob. Otherwise, you're funding the enemy when you buy gas, heat your home, etc.... OK, you made your point.
Thanks. Now lets move on to the topic of the thread itself.
 

Lillywolf

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Revolutionary? Revolutions by definition involve war and bloodshed to achieve a political goal. Not once did Christ use His authority to usurp the Roman rulers, nor the Sanhedrin though He had the power to. Not once did the apostles call for a resistance amongst the saints against Roman persecution. Christ came to lay down His life, and we are called to partake in His crucifixion daily. Christ is a conquerer of the spiritual powers of the wicked one, and His kingdom is not of this world. I think you're gravely misrepresenting the holy purposes of the Lord's first coming, of the function of the church on earth.

If you're worried about persecution wiping out Christianity in the world, I want to know why. Don't you think the devil has been trying from the beginning? Do you think God would allow it? Realise where your faith is. What's happening in the West is nothing compared to what happens to the saints in China, North Korea or most Islamic nations, and I know that every day a saint dies in those countries they receive a crown of life. We in the West should be following their example. We in the west have had it so good that we don't realise, and it's tragic.

Being demonised for our faith is always unpleasant, but what you're calling for will not succeed in anything Christ wills.
You don't think Christ was a Revolutionary? Due to your definition of Revolution?
Your description of blood and violence surround Christ's Revolution!
How do you forget that?
He bled on the cross he was nailed to and died there condemned by both Rome and the Jewish temple elders. And all those who called for the release of a thief and murderer, Barabbas, when Pilate gave the screaming Jewish crowd the opportunity to give amnesty to one criminal before Passover. Jesus or Barabbas. And the crowd chose Barabbas.

And after Christ was murdered on the cross, still God's plan and yet Rome murdered God, and the elders of the Temple asked it of them, every single Apostle that walked with Jesus, save for John , was MARTYRED!
Because they were daring to bring the, now get ready, REVELATION of the Messiah and Salvation to the world. A Revolutionary act considering to follow Jesus as a Jew was APOSTASY! Worthy of death.
Stephen was stoned to death while Saul of Tarsus held his cloak.

You speak for yourself. "We in the west have had it so good that we don't realize, and it's tragic."
Your indifference is tragic. When it isn't so good, if the Muslim agenda gains the ground it seeks here, you'll wonder how it happened. How? You. And those like you.
It's lazy to put it on God's will as if he doesn't have a purpose for his daughters and sons in this life. As he proved when the crusaders fought against the enemy that served Allah then and saved the world then.
 

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sha·ri·a
SHəˈrēə/
noun

  1. Islamic canonical law based on the teachings of the Koran and the traditions of the Prophet (Hadith and Sunna), prescribing both religious and secular duties and sometimes retributive penalties for lawbreaking. It has generally been supplemented by legislation adapted to the conditions of the day, though the manner in which it should be applied in modern states is a subject of dispute between Islamic fundamentalists and modernists.

What do we think of when we think of the country, India?
Hindu's? Thousands of gods and goddesses that are overseers of all things in the world?
Does Islam come to mind? How about now? New Delhi, plea before Supreme Court challenging set up of Sharia courts.
Sept 2, 2018 NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court has considered a fresh plea of a Muslim woman seeking to declare as unconstitutional the setting up of Sharia courts to decide marriage, divorce and other cases