What do you Believe about the Bible?

The Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” Numbers 22:28

The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?" Numbers 22:30

I always become apprehensive, when I hear the words, or terms Infallible and Inerrant! ESPECIALLY, in the same sentence! And even more especially, when the "subject" is the Bible! Or, even more specifically, the Bible as it IS today!

I suppose my apprehensiveness stems from my early childhood upbringing, where it was rather "pounded" into everyone's heads, minds, etc. that God ONLY SPEAKS to man, THROUGH His REVEALED Word, these days! Which means, that during the time of the O.T. Prophets, and N.T. Christ, and His Disciples and Apostles? God spoke TO, and even THROUGH men, and women! Then? Like in some "Forrest Gump" meme, I've seen on the facebook? "And...Just like THAT?" "God STOPPED TALKING!" I call:*edited*

If one looks at the Bible in an "over view", as I like to call it. In an answering of one of the "Mysteries" Paul strove to teach on, regarding the "falling away" aka "Apostasy?" You would "see", that in this "train of thought", the whole Bible, speaks of, or bares wittiness TO: "man's CONSTANT, and CONTINUOUS falling away" (aka rebelling), and God's "Constant and Continuous" Loving Kindness, which endures forever! In His forgiving His children, and "bending over backwards in the forgiving them! After, they had "served, or endured" the "Punishment" aka "Captivity", aka "Prison", employing the Teaching of Christ here. Even TO the "paying to the last penny!" Eventually? TO the "Cross of Christ!" As the "currency of the flesh", had "HYPER INFLATED" to the point that God no longer accepted it, and even considered it as just "so much smoke in My nose!"

The Bible, is as a "Painting", in its "Revealing/s!" "The BEAUTY, is IN the Beholder!" Key word, is IN the beholder! As the "Spirit Within" bares wittiness, TO "The spirit OF man", which has become just as carnal, in its "lustings", as are the the same as "animals of the forrest!" Only WORSE, as it seems animals are "protected" from the "wiles of satan!" Whereas, the "spirit of men" are "fair game" to it! And Yes? The "VERY REASON" God's Spirit STOPPED STRIVING, with "mans" spirit, WHICH, by the way, is the VERY REASON The Bible HAD to become WRITTEN DOWN, IN THE FIRST PLACE!

"REVERSE ENGINEERING" folks! Reverse Engineering! THIS, is WHERE we ALL should strive in our pilgrimage/s in the ascertaining OF! In our STRIVING of causing LORD GOD, to be LESS "Grieved", He made man "flesh!"

So, y'all go on with yer infallabilty and inerrancy Crap!

As for me? I'll serve the Lord MY God, in the "way" He asked me to, some 35+ years ago. When I enrolled in an "at home" Bible study course from Moody Bible Institute. "You want "them" to teach you?" Or, you want ME to teach you?"

I can tell ya this, however! With the "testing of the spirits?" as in "constantly testing?"

Forward progress is measured more at the "sub atomic", atomic, in the "reverse engineering" of one's DNA.

One can "liken" it rather to: "5 steps forwards?" "4 and 7/8ths (or more) steps back!"

You are surprised that God used a smart donkey to speak through? The devil has been using dumb 'donkeys' for centuries to speak his words.

I agree with you NayborBear, you mention to someone that God told you something and they get all bent out of shape. They insist God only speaks through His word, that it has all been said already. of course, God won't speak to them then because they wouldn't listen anyway.

Like you, when God told me I was to preach His word, I started making plans to attend some seminary or something. He let me plan for a while, then He said: If you are done deciding how you are going to make yourself a preacher, be still and let me show you how I will do it. He said those seminaries and colleges just ruin a minister. I was then led down a path totally apart from traditional Christianity. God showed me how far away from the truth the mainstream has come.

This may help about the DONKEY and what it means:

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2743/jewish/Moshiachs-Donkey.htm

Here is a better understanding of the DONKEY relating to Balaam.


https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3715894/jewish/Balaam-and-Balak-The-Full-Story.htm

Yeah chabad... let me check out an antichrist website for insight on spiritual things. These guys really got it together hey.

I really pray to G-d that you lose you hatred for Jews. For one who has hatred of ANY people, certainly does not have the love of G-d in them...

Disgusting.

The Bible called anyone who DENIES Jesus is the son of God an antichrist (that would be the chabad). So you are just disagreeing with John, not me.

And I dont hate jews, i have no problem with jews. I do have a problem with jew-worshipers like you. All you ever post is chabad and other antichrist sources like the talmud which MOCKS Jesus. I suggest you convert to judaism or stop the fake-jew stuff. You are a canadian dude... stop roleplaying a jewish expert.

I wish you would learn some wisdom before making such comments.

A) Remember, this entire book is written by a Jews and most of it is in Hebrew. So let me ask you something, do you ask a French teacher to teach you English teacher? Do you have a problem with G-d’s choice to make the Jews the holder of ALL spiritual matters? He gave it to Jews and no other nation (but heaven forbid does that make anyone less than, we all have different roles). Yeshua in Matt 23:1-3 and The disciples agree to this (Romans 15:16, Acts 15:20-22). If you can answer that, then maybe you have an argument for hating the wisdom of Jews

B) So a Jew outside of Israel cannot be Jewish? Where do we learn this?

C) You have a problem with Hebrew the Holy Language that G-d made the world in? Then you have a problem with Yeshua...

D) Stop watching stupid YouTube videos on The Talmud for even Orthodox Jews know the HIDDEN messages behind the first glance seemingly “Jesus hating” messages. I can even prove through one of my Rabbi’s how that even gives credit to Yeshua but that would take a lot of explaining but I don’t want to bug you if you don’t want too.

E) If you realized for 1 minute they Jews studies of the Talmud and Torah is what keeps society today what it is, because Jews have a hand in everything good (or unfortunately bad) in this world and it’s all comes from their studies in a Yeshiva’s because G-d commanded us endless to STUDY and LOVE His Torah, commandments, decrees and ordinances and THE NATIONS shall be BLESSED by it...

More judaizer babble.

A) Yes the Bible is written mostly by Jews, however, it was written by SAVED jews in covenant with God. unlike the antichrists of chabad thatt you link to
Welcome to the new covenant, I know its hard for you judaizers to get this but today, the people of God is the CHURCH MADE UP OF BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES. The apostles were jews, but they were christians. Not Jesus-denying antichrists like chabad.

B) I learned it from the fact that Paul was mistaken for an egyptian, because he was so dark. (Acts21:38). So at best you are the son of a CONVERT to the religion of judaism, you can get off your high-horse now.

C) Hebrew is not a holy language, its just a language, more judaizer babble from you. With this logic KOINE GREEK is also a holy language, since the NT was written in koine greek, unless you hold to the conspiracy with no evidence that it was actually written in hebrew, a language which NO GENTILE spoke at the time. Great idea. I have no problem with Yeshua, He would agree with me, Yeshua was never a fan of the chabad types.

D) There is no hidden messages behind the seemingly Jesus hating messages, THEY HATE JESUS. That is why they dont accept Him as the Messiah. You can prove through one of "your Rabbi's". You just violated what Jesus said to call NO MAN RABBI.

E) Some guys studying the wicked satanic talmud somewhere and reading the Torah with blinders on does NOT keep society going in any way shape or form. All it does is create a couple of more people living on welfare in Israel, with taxpayer money, because they are too strict in their religion to be able to work anywhere. IF thats keeping society today what it is, then whoopty doo. Furthermore i dont know if you noticed but society today is TERRIBLE. So maybe they should stop the studying, maybe that'll fix it?

I wont waste any more time with you. You are a judaizer through and through. WHY are you posting chabad, praising Christ-rejecting rabbis (And even calling them "my rabbi") on a CHRISTIAN forum? Whats wrong with you?

Hevosmies and mountiandude please stop or be gone . thank you

Wait, what?

Again, not to derail a thread (as I think this idea already derails it), but:

Allow me to ask, You think the apostle Paul was "dark" (ie, a black man (btw this is not about colour, (Acts 17:26; Genesis 3:20) but historical accuracy)), because the Roman guard asked him if he was "that Egyptian" (Acts 21:38)?

If so, that is a 'racist' mentality, and entirely inaccurate, not only historically, but contextually.

Egypt is home to many shades of 'brown', as most countries are, from light (such as 'white' (a shade of brown, less Melanin)) to dark (such as 'black' (a shade of brown, more Melanin)). Egyptians are generally classified under 'caucasian' (which has a range of tone, even in later periods, in the time of Muhammad, he was considered 'caucasian', and he was supposed to be Egyptian/Arab/etc mix, and even today Egyptians, generally a mixed populace from all the conquered times, Greece, Arabia, etc).

However, more than this, the Greeks had long ago, before the time of Paul, conquered Egypt, and their Egyptian kings (Ptolmaic dynasty, from the reigns of Ptolemy I Soter after Alexander III the Great of Macedon) and populace were heavily Greek. Greek is also classified under a 'caucasoid' (but again there is a range of tone).

Just read Daniel 2,7,8-12 to see that.

And to top that all off, if we simply read the context of the text of Acts 21:38, the previous verses told us why the Roman centurian, asked Paul if he was "that Egyptian":

Act 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

Act 21:38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

Act 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Act 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

Act 22:25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?

Paul was asked the question, not because of the skin tone, but because of the actions that surrounded Paul, and even that Paul could speak "Greek" (the language of Egypt at the time, just consider the Alexandrians; Acts 6:9). Notice that Paul was actually not from "Egypt", but was a "Jew", from "Tarsus" a "city of Cilicia", a Roman province far to the north, in the area today that is known as 'Turkey" (also 'caucasoid' in general). A "Jew" (as any human being) could be any range of skin tone, but again, notice the location Paul was from.

Act 21:27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

The reference to "that Egyptian" dealt with a leader of rebellious persons towards Rome, as Barabbas (Mark 15:7), as was Theudas and so also Judas of Galilee (Acts 5:37). These are actually a fulfillment of Daniel 11:14, along with many others before and after them. The reason the Roman guard asked Paul if he was "that Egyptian", was not for the skin tone, which is nowhere mentioned in the text (and God forbid), but because of the uproar of the people that surrounded him.

Act 21:31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.

Act 21:33 Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.

I would desire that people stop lowering the plain reading of scripture to mere bigotry, to create this erroneous idea of 'identifying' more with a person of scripture through skin tone. It is a twisted view of the scripture and also of human-kind, of which there is only one "kind" of, for "kind" brings forth after "kind" according to the Law of "kinds" in Genesis.

Words <--plural........

A couple people posted what I was talking about....surprised you did not know what I meant......Balaam and his talking donkey is a well know truth from the O.T.....

If you say so boss.

I apologize. To MountainDude and to you and to everyone else.

So Balaam liked to smack that &?! 😂. Couldn't resist probably going to get in trouble..

I see the Bible as progressive revelation. It started introducing conditional love ending in unconditional forgiveness by grace. Being freed from the curse part of the old laws and replacing it with repentance and grace is the greatest part of the new. People have been trying to add info from the old which has totally been replaced by the new. The faulty parts of the OT have been done away Hebrews 8-7, the old law vanishes away Hebrews 8-13. I f someone wants a real good debate on this subject, we have to include hundreds more examples of the lack of the old. I see these things but I did not invent them. All of the evidence is right there for anyone to read.

The Old Testament was the early Christian Bible. Those who ignore it lack understanding as to how important it is for us today.
The New Testament cant be fully understood without it because one of the main purposes of the NT is to explain and expand the meaning the OT.

The truth of the Bible is spiritual. That truth is found on several levels the literal word being the lowest. The Holy Spirit guided the
authors in its composition.

Nice to know I'm not the only one that has had a similar experience, or "event!"

(shhh!.....One grenade could get us all! )

I can understand how God's servants the prophets must have felt during their time/s, as the people didn't much listen or care to hear what they had to say either!

Not that I'm so much into prophecying, as into "seeing", or discerning "things."

And, it's just that, to me, anyways? The words Infallibility and Inerrancy leave such a "stentch" in the air, and such a bad taste in my mouth. (like Oh no! Here we go again! The 'Ol "God in a box" routine! )
Thing of it is? It always has!