Angels

Admittedly Einstein won the battles but lost the war in this life but only a fool could deny his genius. Based on Christ’s major representatives of his day, the Catholic Church, it’s a wonder anyone found the narrow path. To answer your question with a question, how many pages would there be in my Bible if every simple verse required 180 pages of explanation? I’m done this game. It isn’t a contest. From my experience I was only trying to help you not waste countless hours in attempt to change the minds of the masses here at CC. Yet here I am once again getting baited to waste my own time participating in a pointless thread. There just isn’t enough information provided about prehistory in the Bible to make a definitive conclusion. Looking at the great monuments constructed, the historic records of other cultures, strange skeletons unearthed, modern science, and the myriad of rumours to filter truth from, the possibilities are too many to form one unshakable theory. May you be blessed, and your eyes opened.

I hear your frustration brother, but I no longer think this issue is an exercise in futility. Not that a guy who spends his waking hours trying to disprove what is clearly written in Scripture is going to be convinced, but it's important that those that may be confused, and are stumped by the honest skeptic's tough questions while presenting the Gospel, have clarity, and are prepared to give answer.

Look at the incredible irony of our friend Pyongping trying to use the LIGER as an example of freakishly large creatures being normal in God's created world. It is EXACTLY what we are talking about with DNA corruption. The LIGER (half tiger, half lion) is an unnatural, scientifically made, DNA mixture. A Lion didn't mate with a Tiger and create a LIGER!

Worst of all, is trying to explain to the honest skeptic why God would order HIS people to butcher little children.

Genesis 3:15 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

Since we can follow the line of Messiah through Scripture, from physical seed to physical seed all the way to Jesus, why is it so hard to believe that satan ALSO has a physical seed going all the way to anti-christ?

Jesus's physical Seed comes through the people of Israel. Why is it that satan's physical seed can't come through these nations that were corrupted with his, and his followers DNA?

Let us now take a look at a so-called LXX (aka: "septuagint" (meaning '70'), which is really the work of Origen in his Hexapla), for further study of the two passages in Genesis 6 [6:2,4] and compare them with the Job passages [Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7] and others:. Though there are serious issues with so-called LXX, it has its carefully determined, uses.


The Greek words used in so-called LXX passages of Genesis 6:2,4 are "υἱοὶ τοῦ θεοῦ" [Greek] or "uioi tou qeou" ([h]uioi tou theou)[Transliterated Greek.] which is translated into the English as "sons ([h]uioi) of (tou) God (theou)", as in human men or man-kind.

There is, again, no mention of "angels" ["aggeloi", cast-out or otherwise] in the two passages.

In fact, in the so-called LXX, the Job passages [which many will compare Genesis 6:2,4 to] does not use the same phrase or terminology when speaking about the "angels".

Instead, it is written as "ἄγγελοι τοῦ θεοῦ" [Greek] or "aggeloi tou qeou" [Transliterated Greek] and the word "aggeloi" is "angel" [or "messenger"], a completely different word from "uioi" ["son"].

Here is the evidence:


Now compare the passages of Genesis 6:2,4 in the Greek to the Greek texts of Romans 8:14,19:

You are ignorant of actual facts.

"Since 1999 the park has bred its male lion and female tiger many times, producing about 24 cubs." - https://bigcatrescue.org/liger-facts/

"Two liger cubs born in 1837 were exhibited to King William IV and to his successor Queen Victoria. " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger

You ought look of the etymology of that word and what its roots means.

Try reading and watching the following, and cease from such doubts that lead unto sin:

7,000 years and the 7 days of Creation, from the Bible and so-called ECF and more - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=88323982112145612890






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66409i-yn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xdkONYsjZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FdcQ_G1EUY

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Yes. I did mispost about it being possible for a tiger and lion to reproduce, however this does not change the fact that this is an unnatural pairing. These animals have NEVER been found to reproduce in the wild. None have EVER been found outside of human captivity. Ligers cannot breed with each other, which tells you they are unnatural.

Also, it's interesting to note, that Tigons (male tigers and female lions) are significantly smaller than Ligers. The growth suppression gene is in the female Lion, while the MALE Lion's genes promote large size. The FEMALE Tiger does not have the same growth suppression gene, and therefore you have the GIGANTIC size of these UNNATURAL creatures. Kinda like the UNNATURAL size the Nephillim would have been, from an unnatural pairing.

Here is proof, that we are indeed, just as the fallen angels did, messing with God's Creation. THE sin that brought the Flood:

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/01/human-pig-hybrid-embryo-chimera-organs-health-science/

Not to mention that we can now reproduce just about any living creature through cloning.

No...

When did the Holy Spirit first come and indwell human beings? When did human being change from being servants of God to adopted sons of God ????

Answer:: On the day of Pentecost after the death, resurrection and assention of Jesus... This was many thousands of years after the sons of God saw the daughters of men and took them as wives and had children with them..

Question:

Does Jude 1:7 teach that angels and men produced children?

The moment Adam accepted, by faith, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and adorned the Lamb, covering himself in Christ (Genesis 3:15,21).

My LORD Jesus said::

Matthew 5: KJV
22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

So who here is in danger of hell fire????

The one who declares his brother a fool...

Psa_94:22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

The Question was:

Does Jude 1:7 teach that angels and men produced children?


The words "going after" are from "απελθουσαιG565 V-2AAP-NPF οπισωG3694 ADV".

The bible says that corrupt and wicked men and boys of Sodom, were "going after" [that is 'seeking to obtain', but not obtaining] another flesh. There is no record of men anywhere in Scripture "fornicating" with angelic hosts [it is the figment of the carnal imagination], and especially not in this verse, since it is a direct reference to the events of Genesis 17-19, wherein the corrupt men of the city of Sodom, never laid a filthy finger on any of the pure angelic host, though they "[went] after" them, they believing them to have been human men, because the angels had veiled their glory as a test to Lot and to the City itself.

The words used for "strange flesh", actually reads, "σαρκοςG4561 N-GSF ετεραςG2087 A-GS"; which is 'flesh differing/foreign/strange' to that of the flesh of the men.

This is again, as cited in 1 Corinthians 15 itself, which also uses the word "ετεραG2087 A-NSF", "one/other" in relation to "somata"/"bodies":


The flesh/bodies/nature of the angelic hosts is not the same as human-kinds body/flesh/nature, as demonstrated throughout (Hebrews 2:16).

This same [root] word "hetero" is utilized in the following passages and is also recognized in the following words and uses, please take note of the example, "ἑτερόγλωσσος", which means "other/foreign language", or a language not the same as another - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?letter=e :

And in the [so-called] LXX:


Further we see it used in other fashions:


"going after" does not ever mean "fornication" (wedlock, or any such thing) in any language on earth, let alone the underlying Greek text and "going after" never means to actually obtained/attained/gotten. Together, they mean 'in the process of striving for', 'going out to get', and even in the context of Genesis 17-19, can mean to be went out [lusting] after whom they thought were wandering men having come to their town, obviously not knowing they were angels [Hebrews 13:2; "unawares" to Lot and Sodomites] - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?search=A)PELQOU=SAI

This is seen in the words, "the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:" Genesis 19:4 and "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Genesis 19:5, wherein the wicked men of Sodom left their own homes, went out into the street, and made their way to Lot's house and banged on the door...

Where, in any of those events and that which followed was there any "fornication" of the wicked men and the angelic hosts? There is none, not in Jude, nor the passages it references in Genesis 17-19. Neither Jude, Daniel 2, nor Genesis 17-19, have anything to do with the Flood events, except in matters of like Judgment of God in destroying the wicked, after investigation and testing of the Righteous. It says that they wanted (in their vain and filthy imagination; Jude 1:8) to ["may"] "know" them, not that they actually "knew" them.

The angels:


The angels let their glory shine and blinded the men of Sodom, revealing who they were, not men, but Heaven born messengers.

Search any passage of Scripture, dictionary, lexicon, etc and "ἀπελθοῦσαι ὀπίσω" never means, in any language, "ἐκπορνεύσασαι", hence the word "kai" [and] inbetween them denoting two distinct things, not one thing in repetition, 2 + 3 = 5, thus 2 and 3 is 5.

Lot was even freely allowed to leave the house and speak with his relatives before the city was consumed by God.

The one who adds to the text, is one which finds in it "fornication" of men and angelic beings. The one who takes away (subtracts) from the text is the one which removes the events which reveal that no "fornication" took place between any men of Sodom and the angelic beings, in either Genesis 17-19 or in Jude, etc. The one which does these things, in spite of the evidences and light, is on very dangerous ground.

You claim it is an 'unnatural pairing' without evidence and then give a half-truth.

Kind is able to breed with like Kind. That is the very definition of "miyn" (Heb.)


The reason that "Ligers" (etc, "tigons", "Li-Liger", etc, just among the big cats, other creatures are similar) are not (presently) found in the wild, is because their (lion and tiger) present habitats do not immediately overlap, while they do overlap in captivity. It is not a genetic barrier, but a geographical one.

Dingos and domesticated dogs breed. Wolves and domesticated dogs breed. They are the same kind, though they are not normaly found in the same immediate geographical location, except when coming closer to the cities, outposts. An African Elephant would be able to breed with a Indian one, or Sumatran, or Asian, or even a Mastadon, Mammoth, though they are not normally in the same geographical location. Again, it is one of geographics, not genetics.