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Noblemen

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There are those in Christianity that believe Jesus had a sin nature because He had a human body. Nature comes from a progenitor, someone able to reproduce. Jesus had the nature of His Father, born of a virgin without any help of a human father. We know Jesus never sinned because sin comes from your nature. An important scripture to look at is in John 14:30

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

What was it the Prince of this world did not have in Jesus; he did not have his nature in Jesus like he did in the rest of the world.
Nature comes by a father, the seed, Jesus had the seed of His Father, the incorruptible seed, 1 Peter 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

For those that are looking for their completion in Christ here it is. Completed by Christ in you, the seed of God, a birthing has taken place, born again by the seed of God, Colossians 2:10

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Contrary to popular belief the born again have one nature, one seed and that seed is Christ, there is no two dogs fighting for power over you. You have an unrenewed mind but that is far from your completeness in Christ.
So you can see now it becomes a mind issue and knowing where to find the message of the new birth. Paul's gospel only can reveal to you the knowledge you need for mind renewal. The born again believer needs to stay with Paul until the message of the new birth is indelible fixed in them by the HolySpirit.
The Christ in you needs your soul-mind to express life, we are dead in the water and Christ sits like an old man in a rocking chair patiently waiting for you to see the new birth.
It is His nature in you that will be everything to you, the old sin-Satan nature is dead in Christ and now you are free to see Christ as the life of every born again believer, Ephesians 2:1-3

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Your freedom came at a high price, it is a slap in the face to Jesus Himself to think we have some kind of a life of our own.
The scriptures are very plain and clear on the death of every human that has ever lived, at the cross, Galatians 2:20

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Romans 5:17

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
 
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Jesus Christ did not have a sin nature due to His supernatural birth. The sin nature comes from the father through the sperm. God saw that His Son would be protected from that by having the seed of reproduction come from the Holy Spirit into a virgin. This is why Satan is so interested in seeing that the churches stop teaching the 'virgin birth of Christ.'

Then it was on Jesus to live 33 years on the earth without sinning even one time so that He could truly be the Lamb of God without spot and without blemish. His was a pure sacrifice taking upon Himself the sins of the world.

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (I John 2:2).

Even though there are a few on this site that will tell you that he only died for their private club . . . which is a lie straight out of hell.
 

Noblemen

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Jesus Christ did not have a sin nature due to His supernatural birth. The sin nature comes from the father through the sperm. God saw that His Son would be protected from that by having the seed of reproduction come from the Holy Spirit into a virgin. This is why Satan is so interested in seeing that the churches stop teaching the 'virgin birth of Christ.'

Then it was on Jesus to live 33 years on the earth without sinning even one time so that He could truly be the Lamb of God without spot and without blemish. His was a pure sacrifice taking upon Himself the sins of the world.

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (I John 2:2).

Even though there are a few on this site that will tell you that he only died for their private club . . . which is a lie straight out of hell.
Jesus had no sin because He had no sin nature. Humanity sins because of their nature, they choose to sin but it comes through the nature. Christ was sinless by His nature, no because He refrained from sin.
The natures are important for the believer to understand because god God deals with them based on one or the other.
 

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There are those in Christianity that believe Jesus had a sin nature because He had a human body.
If people believe that Jesus had a sin nature then they are Not Christians... So these people are Not ""in Christianity""
 
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If people believe that Jesus had a sin nature then they are Not Christians... So these people are Not ""in Christianity""
Lots of times people get confused on this score. When I am speaking of the whole circle I use the word 'Christendom' which includes the whole sordid lot . . . Catholics, cultists, mainline denominations, etc.

Then as a subset of 'Christendom' are 'Christians' or 'Christianity' which consists only of Bible believers.

I'm thinking that is what Nobleman is meaning . . . the whole group of folks professing Christ but not possessing Christ.
 

p_rehbein

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If people believe that Jesus had a sin nature then they are Not Christians... So these people are Not ""in Christianity

Was thinking the same thing........I have not heard of folks saying Christ had/has a sin nature.........are they some specific group?
 

Noblemen

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If people believe that Jesus had a sin nature then they are Not Christians... So these people are Not ""in Christianity""
Are you sure "what people believe" saves them.
 

Noblemen

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Lots of times people get confused on this score. When I am speaking of the whole circle I use the word 'Christendom' which includes the whole sordid lot . . . Catholics, cultists, mainline denominations, etc.

Then as a subset of 'Christendom' are 'Christians' or 'Christianity' which consists only of Bible believers.

I'm thinking that is what Nobleman is meaning . . . the whole group of folks professing Christ but not possessing Christ.
I would contend that what people believe about Jesus has nothing to do with salvation.
 

Noblemen

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Huh? Jesus doesn't save? What are you saying, exactly.
I'm not talking about the death, burial, and resurrection, that is are salvation. I'm saying all the beliefs we have do not save us, what we believe after salvation has nothing to do with salvation. In whom you believe is salvation, not what you believe. Can you honestly say the lord is really concerned about the million and one different understandings and religion's of the world.
Most think their doctrines are right and is what saves them
 
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the lord is really concerned about the million
I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is concerned about every lost soul, seeing as how He literally suffered for each and every one of them in the hours He spent on the Cross. The sufferings that God endured is sufficient for every one of them because it was God that was suffering.

You wrote:

I would contend that what people believe about Jesus has nothing to do with salvation.

A man can not believe that Jesus Christ was merely a man and be saved, so it does matter what people believe about Jesus Christ. Or the man that believes that Jesus, like all the rest of us, was a sinner and yet claims salvation for himself. Not happening.
 

p_rehbein

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I'm not talking about the death, burial, and resurrection, that is are salvation. I'm saying all the beliefs we have do not save us, what we believe after salvation has nothing to do with salvation. In whom you believe is salvation, not what you believe. Can you honestly say the lord is really concerned about the million and one different understandings and religion's of the world.
Most think their doctrines are right and is what saves them
I know you do not mean that statement to sound like what it sounds like..............BUT...........it does :)

One could look at this and speculate: So, if after I'm saved, I change my mind about Christ being Christ that's ok?

Like I said, I know you did not mean it to sound like that but, it does.........
I agree with that last sentence.........!!
 

Lillywolf

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If people believe that Jesus had a sin nature then they are Not Christians... So these people are Not ""in Christianity

Was thinking the same thing........I have not heard of folks saying Christ had/has a sin nature.........are they some specific group?
As I recall Anabaptists hold that Jesus was not divine. There are other denominations as well that hold that same belief.
 

p_rehbein

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Don't know about the Anabaptist...........will have to google that, just to ease my mind.....thanks
 

p_rehbein

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A few links about Anabaptists beliefs

  1. What Are the Basic Beliefs of Anabaptism? | Reference.comAnabaptists believe in the Judeo-Christian God and in his son Jesus Christ. They believe Christ was sent to earth to die for the sins of all people and that anyone who accepts Christ as his savior is saved from hell and can live forever in heaven.


Anabaptism: The basic beliefs – The Canadian Conference of ...
www.mennonitebrethren.ca/bfl-resources/...
Anabaptists continue to teach that salvation makes us followers of Jesus Christ and that he is the model for the way we are to live. 6. Insistence on a church without classes or divisions.


AND, THE MOST INTERESTING ONE: Worth close reading IMO.......

In attempting to explain how Jesus Christ's two natures came to be, Menno Simons and Dirk Philips concluded and taught that Jesus did not derive his humanity from Mary. This view has also been called the doctrine of "heavenly flesh" and "Incarnational Christology". In this view they were dependent on Melchior Hoffman, who probably was influenced in this view by Kaspar Schwenkfeld von Ossig. Hoffman wrote, "We have now heard enough that the whole seed of Adam, be it of man, woman, or virgin, is cursed and delivered to eternal death. Now if the body of Jesus Christ was also such flesh and of this seed ... it follows that the redemption has not yet happened. For the seed of Adam belongs to Satan and is the property of the devil." Similarly Menno concluded: "In the same manner the heavenly Seed, namely, the Word of God, was sown in Mary, and by her faith, being conceived in her by the Holy Ghost, became flesh, and was nurtured in her body; and thus it is called the fruit of her womb, that same as a natural fruit or offspring is called the fruit of its natural mother." In 1632, 71 years after the death of Menno Simons, and near the end of the first century of Dutch Anabaptism, mention of Menno's Christology was left out of the Dordrecht Confession of Faith. Not only was the "celestial flesh" doctrine a point of controversy between Mennonites and Protestants in the 16th and early 17th centuries, it was also a source of controversy between Anabaptist groups.

(FOUND HERE)

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr...abaptism/RK=2/RS=C3YBrdJMQiHn_UFs67ZCKMQ16H8-
 

Adstar

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Lots of times people get confused on this score. When I am speaking of the whole circle I use the word 'Christendom' which includes the whole sordid lot . . . Catholics, cultists, mainline denominations, etc.

Then as a subset of 'Christendom' are 'Christians' or 'Christianity' which consists only of Bible believers.

I'm thinking that is what Nobleman is meaning . . . the whole group of folks professing Christ but not possessing Christ.
I am very protective of the title of Christian and Christianity.. I wish all the fake cults out there who tag themselves with the Christian tag where forced to use another moniker.. It would be Awesome if the only people known as Christians where true Christians.. I believe we would have 10 times the influence and effect on the population of this world..
 

Adstar

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Are you sure "what people believe" saves them.
If a person declares they believe Jesus but do not believe the teachings of Jesus . Then have they then believed in ""another jesus""

2 Corinthians 11: KJV

3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. {4} For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

If people believe in another jesus ,, a construct of the traditions of men,,, will they have the correct Gospel that saves or will they have another gospel that is useless? Will the have the Holy Spirit or another spirit?

I believe it is very important to believe the actual Words / teachings of Jesus if one wants to have eternal Life..

John 6: KJV
63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
 

Noblemen

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You guys need to breathe, getting alot of accusations I never made; like jesus not God, he was man only where did you get that never said that so relax it will be ok
 
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I am very protective of the title of Christian and Christianity.. I wish all the fake cults out there who tag themselves with the Christian tag where forced to use another moniker.. It would be Awesome if the only people known as Christians where true Christians.. I believe we would have 10 times the influence and effect on the population of this world..
It's all about Satan's counterfeits. If we forced cults to go by the name cults they would take it to court as discrimination and no court would enforce it. The only way a Christian can show his faith is by being Christ-like. Oh, and that don't mean being nice to everybody. We carry a sword for a reason. And seeing as how that sword is the living and true, preserved Word of God--being grounded in Scripture is another way a person might show their faith.

It's getting kind of hard these days with all the counterfeit Bibles, as well. Amazing that Satan has counterfeited every good thing and yet people get mad when we suggest that he also has counterfeit Bibles.
 
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You guys need to breathe, getting alot of accusations I never made; like jesus not God, he was man only where did you get that never said that so relax it will be ok
It helps to guard you words and present them carefully. You could be the strongest Christian on here, but a misspoken word could have detrimental results on a person seeking for the Lord. I know, some here teach that no man seeks for the Lord since he has already been found way back before the foundation of the world.

A doctor handles his scalpel with the greatest of care, what less is expected of a Bible believer?