Psst, total forgiveness of sins in a single verse (again)

For whatever reason I find the discussion of forgiveness of sin, remission of sin, and Jesus' role as our High Priest so very fascinating. Its so in your face (the truth of the matter) yet is it made cloudy through dogma, tradition, and religion (in the form of self-righteousness). Total forgiveness of sin is often shadowed by the inquiry of a license, a feast if you will, to do whatever you please in the flesh without worry. In the religious constructs of our minds we think if there lay no boundary such a freedom would inherently effect us negatively.

I could address this false notion, but I'd like to, at the time, present a verse of scripture. In a previous post of mine I shared Hebrews 10:10-12, which reveals the total forgiveness of all sin that we have as a result of Christ's blood and sacrifice. He doesn't do daily sacrifice, as the previous priests, for our sins. He did one sacrifice, then rose from the dead, and ascended to the Father's right hand. Through His blood we received the remission of our sins. All sin. Any such sin that could possibly come up in your life. This makes sense when you understand that He only did one sacrifice (Himself), and He isn't going back to the cross. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sin), so His sacrifice is eternally sufficient for the remission of sin (hence how the lost have their sins remitted today).

In this post I'd like to share another verse that in its simplicity it too reveals our total and complete forgiveness of sins. It has to do with the risen Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

I do find this to probably be one of the best and clearest verses on our total forgiveness. Not only that but it drives home a point. There are other verses, such that say to forgive as God forgave us our sin for Christ's sake, but with this verse, it is equipped with an argument that is powerfully sound.

If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain, and you are yet in your sins. Notice the reality of the situation. This is a matter of justification. It is set like the perfect argument for total forgiveness of sin.

1. If Christ is not raised, then
2. Your faith is vain, and
3. You are yet in your sins.

1. Christ is raised.
2. Your faith is not in vain.
3. You are not in your sins.

What is powerful here is that people will say the blood of Christ only covers past sins, before repentance. Yet here, through this single verse, we see a very black and white presentation of sin. You are either dead in your sins, or alive in Christ. If Christ is risen, your faith isn't vain and you are not in your sins. That is the necessary conclusion.

Before the religious zealots start spamming this thread with 1 John 1:9 and the importance of repentance, please know that I believe repentance is in order and a part of our lifestyle in more ways than one. I do believe that sin confession for the sake of transparency can be healthy in our relationship with God, as we have no door closed and He can clean house. Yet, I do biblically disagree with sin confession for forgiveness, as this opposes obnoxiously the blood of Christ. This is in respect to our justification before God. Sin confession as a daily practice does not grant salvation (in other words).

You could also reveal the forgiveness we have based upon the fine details of the new covenant (Hebrews 10:15-18).

Colossians 2:14, "having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross."

So, according to Colossians 2:14 Jesus "canceled out the certificate of debt." In other words, he canceled out the handwritten note of legal indebtedness. This is proof that sin is a legal debt; and since it is God's law that we have broken when we sin, it is a legal debt to God.

Jesus Christ (John 1:1, 14) bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Peter 2:24). He took our legal indebtedness due to our sins and paid the legal penalty, which is death (Romans 6:23), by dying on the cross. Therefore, all who put their trust and faith in what Jesus has done on the cross will be justified (made legally righteous according to the law) by faith (Romans 3:28; 5:1) and have a righteousness given to them by God--a righteousness that is not derived by their keeping of the law (Philippians 3:9; Romans 3:21; 10:4).

Righteousness is bestowed, not earned.

You really have developed a sense of one way of thinking and have then learned to apply it to every scripture you feel helps your point of view hahahaha

Yes, every sin you committed and you put under the Blood is now null and void like you have never committed those sins.
Yes, we now have an advocate in the case we should ever sin again by the Blood.
But, the relationship between us (followers) and God is through direct communication which falls under free will that God cannot interfere with.
So, until we apply future sins we commit to the Blood, God does not assume we seek forgiveness. The Blood is there for forgiveness. But until we apply that Blood, we still are in sin from the things we choose to sin.

Yes, I am saved now, today, and tomorrow if apply the atonement which is the Blood whenever I sin.
But God does not, will not, nor cannot do anything until I ask Him to. And my one time altar visit does not apply to anything afterwards.
God in the form of Christ said to go and sin no more. So, if we go and sin some more we are in direct disobedience to God's command. You cannot break a command and assume it's all good. So no, stop with your assumption because it is a shameful display of someone claiming to follow God while looking for excuses to sin (shakes head repeatedly)(your example is nowhere close to exemplifying Christ)(your example is more like refusing the words of Christ for your own pleasure)(and that will not get you to Paradise because you are not surrendering to Christ by laying your life down)(you are still in your flesh trying to ride the fence )

Jesus said, He came to have Mercy upon you!! Why do you refuse to listen to Jesus by following Paul? Did he (Paul) die for you? Jesus is God and if He claims we are under Mercy, then I don't care if Paul was blue in the face, Jesus trumps Paul every single time!!

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Then why does the Bible say that it is works of righteousness we must do, and if not then we are not of God.

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.

Charity, love in action, works, is greater than faith, and faith works by love, and faith is a work.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Charity is greater than faith, and charity is works of love, no works of love, no faith, and righteousness is an action, and not imputed to us and we do nothing, for we have to work righteousness, for awake to righteousness, and sin not.

Nice. Another way of showing how black and white it is to be in Christ or in sin. This idea that one is in Christ with a sin debt still is contrary to the Gospel, since He has granted our sins remission through His bloodshed.

Jesus commissioned Paul. You might want to listen to what he has to say, since Jesus sent him. This is like Jesus has sent you a messenger and you refuse to listen. You aren't insulting just the messenger, but Jesus Himself by rejecting the truth He speaks through His messenger.

Again, you try to pit Christ's apostle against Himself when they are in unity.

You really do not understand what He actually said pertaining to Christ:

If this was the case all future sins are automatically cleansed without asking forgiveness, why did Jesus command to "Go and sin NO MORE?" Because every time you do sin, you are breaking His command. How do you assume you can break His command and still be forgiven? Because you believe Paul said, so? Who is Paul compared to Christ (who is God)? Did Paul save you? Because your posts indicate he is why you are saved

Jesus might have commissioned Paul, but nothing Paul can say disclaims anything Jesus put forth. And your Grace message you spew goes directly against everything Jesus said!!

hahahaha too funny!!

I suggest you listen to Jesus. After all, He is God!! And I find it appalling that you would take the words of Paul over God!! That is direct heresy!!

You are like a false prophet!!

You sound like you have a demon in you, you are unhinged. That or mentally ill. I think I will stop conversing with you. God bless, and may the Lord bring you to the knowledge of the truth about His word, His grace, and the new covenant @marinerscatch . Bye.

This would be a reference to past sins which were forgiven or remitted when sinners turned to the Savior with repentance and faith. The resurrection of Christ is God's *stamp of approval* on the finished work of Christ at the Cross. That is what this verse teaches.

It has nothing to do with how Christians must deal with their PRESENT sins.

Nehemiah, that doesn't make sense and isn't a very good extrapolation. Consider the speech plainly. This isn't past sin, but all sin. If Christ isn't risen, you are in your sins. Which sins? Sins that are past? Well, technically, thats all sin. This isn't about sins remitted at the point of repentance, so as to say only past sins (prior to repentance). That would mean that Christ would have to go again to the cross as our sacrifice for sin. It is making His blood common (which it isn't).

Exactly, anyone listening to this creator of this thread and begin following his idealism is as far from God as possible. You can never take the word of anyone over God. And he clearly believes Paul over Jesus. That is as false of a message and statement as it gets. Wow, people should begin praying and binding him in the name of Yeshua. He will lead many to eternal damnation if no one puts their foot down!!

Look at the posters disagreeing with this post of mine!!

They actually believe Paul over Jesus ..talk about scary sad..

How can you deny the very words of GOD for Paul?

Example after example from the mouth of God and His claim!!


Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have Mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Yeah i dont know guys....... It just sounds like no confession no repentance.

Why should I not sin as I please and its all under God's grace. Thats what hyper grace sounds like, its weird, and unheard of in church history too. Not to mention, it renders most of the NT and OT completely null and void. Might as well chuck our bibles out the window since most of the Bible is dont sin dont sin dont sin dont sin obey obey obey do this dont do that.

No, Ben you are simply misunderstanding this matter. At the point of conversion all the past sins are remitted. However, while the penalty for all sins has been paid, the remission of future sins requires confession and repentance as clearly shown in the first epistle of John.