The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

Those saints counted worthy to remain through to the last trump of the 7 trumpets of Revelation witness “only with their eyes” some of the wrath of God but will rest in their spiritual ark under the pinions of our Father’s Psalm 91 promises until they are lifted up in the rapture/resurrection:


Psalms 91:1-8 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. (2) I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in whom I trust. (3) For he will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, And from the deadly pestilence. (4) He will cover thee with his pinions, And under his wings shalt thou take refuge: His truth is a shield and a buckler. (5) Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, Nor for the arrow that flieth by day; (6) For the pestilence that walketh in darkness, Nor for the destruction that wastethat noonday. (7) A thousand shall fall at thy side, And ten thousand at thy right hand; But it shall not come nigh thee. (8) Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, And see the reward of the wicked.


1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.


The time Noah spent in the ark from “the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month” when he entered till he set foot back on the earth in “the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month” was a year:


Genesis 8:14-16 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried. (15) And God spake unto Noah, saying, (16) Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons’ wives with thee.


Please remember they went by lunar months in Noah’s day which were 29.6 days per month. So 12 months later would have been 355 days thus the reason God told Noah to leave the ark on the 27th day of the second month and not the 17th day of the second month:


12 X 29.6 = 355 + 10 = 365 days or a year of wrath


Noah did not leave the ark to set foot back on the earth until after the full year of wrath was finished which as a type will be the seven bowls which finish the wrath of God:


Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having seven plagues, which are the last, for in them is finished the wrath of God.


Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, Go ye, and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God into the earth.


The saints will not return to the earth until after the year of the redeemed is finished by Jesus returning at His second coming to smite the nations with the sWord of His mouth:


Revelation 19:11-16 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (12) And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. (13) And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (14) And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. (15) And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. (16) And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


Isaiah 63:4 For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.


Just as it was not until AFTER the 7 days that Noah left the earth in his ark; we are not leaving this earth until AFTER 7 years of tribulation and the “sun shall be darkened”. “Then” and only “then” AFTER these two events does the Lord come with His angels to gather His elect from off the earth:


Mark 13:24-27 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, (25) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


Matthew 24:29-31 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Both Matthew and Mark only record one time that Jesus comes in the clouds with the sound of a trumpet to receive the dead and the living in Christ so Paul’s recording of this event can only happen after the tribulation and the sun is darkened:


1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Jesus being seen by every eye on the earth when he comes in the clouds to meet us in the air proves there is no secret pretrib rapture:


Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth shall mourn over him. Even so, Amen.


Paul also told us the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him would happen during “the day of the Lord” after the falling away and the man of sin be revealed:


2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Now we beseech you, brethren, touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; (2) to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; (3) let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,


Many pretrib rapture teachers hang their entire thesis on Revelation 4:1 with this belief that the church is not mentioned again in the book of Revelation until chapter 22:


Revelation 4:1 After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, a voice as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.


All of the New Testament is written directly to the “church” but the word “church” is not used in 10 books of the NT which are Mark, Luke, John, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, or Jude.


The word “church” is not the only word in the New Testament that describe the body of Christ as Paul often referred to the “church” as the “saints”:


1 Corinthians 1:2 unto the church of God which is at Corinth, even them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all that call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours:


All of the New Testament is written directly to the “saints” but the word “saints” is not used in 11 books of the NT which are Mark, Luke, John, Galatians, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, or 3 John.


But the words “church” or “churches” is used 20 times in the book of Revelation in chapters 1, 2, 3, and 22 while the word “saints” is used a total of 14 times in chapters 5, 8, 11, 13, 14, 16,17, 18, 19, 20, and 22 so Father is simply interchanging the words “church” and “saints” knowing it would be hard for some “saints” to understand and thus follow His message:


2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; (16) as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The pretrib bible teachers declare all of the church is “the bride of Christ” which this passage declares to be the saints:


Revelation 19:7-8 Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (8) And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.


The same saints that the angel is warning, “if any man hath an ear, let him hear” that the beast is going to make war with the saints during the great tribulation:


Revelation 13:7-10 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. (8) And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain. (9) If any man hath an ear, let him hear. (10) If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.


The only other places in the bible that the phrase “hath an ear, let him hear” is used is after each letter to the seven churches proving the “saints” mentioned throughout the book of Revelation are also the church:


Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.


Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright, the morning star.


Revelation 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with the saints. Amen.


Paul makes it very clear that the Gentiles with the Jews become ONE new man in Christ through His blood and are fellow-citizens in the commonwealth of Israel as SAINTS in the household of God:


Ephesians 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands; (12) that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. (13) But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ. (14) For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition, (15) having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; (16) and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (17) and he came and preached peace to you that were far off, and peace to them that were nigh: (18) for through him we both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father. (19) So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God, (20) being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone; (21) in whom each several building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord; (22) in whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.


For more understanding on who are part of this ONE new man who is “the commonwealth of Israel” please see this link:


https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/


The first and last chapters of the book of Revelation proves the entire book was written for the church of Jesus Christ who John included himself as a brother and partaker with us in the tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus:


Revelation 1:1-9 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; (2) who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. (3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand. (4) John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne; (5) and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood; (6) and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (7) Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth shall mourn over him. Even so, Amen. (8) I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (9) I John, your brother and partaker with you in the tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.


Revelation 22:16-21 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright, the morning star. (17) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely. (18) I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book: (19) and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book. (20) He who testifieth these things saith, Yea: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus. (21) The grace of the Lord Jesus be with the saints. Amen.


Those who teach a pretrib rapture are taking away from the meaning of the words of the prophecies of our Father’s book and will lose their right to the tree of life if they chose not to repent as I had to when Father led me to HIS truth. This proves “unconditional eternal security” or “once saved always saved” can not be true if Father will strip the right to the tree of life from the believer who distorts the truth of His Words. It is the believer who overcomes through Christ who has the right to eat of the tree of life:


Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.

You left out the 144k harvested at the start of rev 14. Pretrib position far out does post trib. You guys flail at the branches.
Rev 14 destroys post and midtrib raptures.
It has a rapture DURING THE GT.
You need the dead in christ raised first.
(1 thes4)

I expected a verse,not juvenile character attacks

Some,when challenged,throw down the bible,and start going into fits.

I see this over and over and over.

A gambler could get rich with that knowledge

Waitng.....bible in hand.

Wow! If you think spiritually standing on mount Zion is the rapture you really do not understand passages such as this:

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 2:6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:

You better learn what this passage is actually teaching bro!:

2 Corinthians 3:4-6 And such confidence have we through Christ to God-ward: (5) not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God; (6) who also made us sufficient as ministers of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Any takers?

Remember,we are searching for that one elusive post trib rapture verse lol

I have to go help some souls in need so I won't be back for about 8 hours to repond to any comments so PLEASE study the link and let the Spirit of God teach you His message:

John 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

I think the OP needs to refresh himself on THIS:

1 Corinthians 13 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Greatest Gift
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a CLANGING CYMBOL. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body [a]to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

Also, Jesus told us no man knows the day, yet if I'm a post tribber than I KNOW the day, because it very clearly is going to be 3.5 yrs from the moment the anti-christ parks his keister in the temple, declaring himself to be god.

There are lots of verses. The gathering of the elect from the four winds happens 'after the tribulation...' in Matthew 24. Paul refers to the rapture as the gathering in II Thessalonians 2.

In I Thess. 4 the rapture happens at the parousia--the coming of Christ (see verse 15). In II Thess. 2:8 the man of sin is destroyed at the brightness if His coming.

Ptetrib has the rapture occuring 7 years before the parousia.

I Corinthians also has they that are His being made alive at His coming.

In II Thessalonians 1, the church is here when Jesus comes back.

I have never seen a verse that supports pretrib. there are lots for posttrib. Read above.

I doubt those with hardened positions on a post trib will watch this Pastor do a very good job on why it will be a pre trib rapture, but I'll post it anyway. There are tons of verses in context and passages that indicate a pre trib rapture. Some have asked. So here ya go:

Thats just one aspect which should lead people away from post trib

There are many others

1. Why are saints in the throne room, already adorned in their resurrected bodies, and having already recieved their crowns BEFORE the 7th seal is opened.
2. Pre tribbers are also premill. Meaning they believe Jesus will come to earth, set up a kingdom in Jerusalem, ad rule with a rod of iron for a thousand years (interpret thousand however you desire) Yet what kingdom? If Jesus returns, Kills all non belivers, and rapures all believers who is left? Who "endured to the end" so they could be saved and enter the kingdom age? There is no one left. I guess maybe God will create a new adam and eve? to repopulate the earth and start over with them/

Thare are many more. Just because they have scripture that APPEARS to support their view. does not mean it does. Anyone can pick verses out of scripture and make up almost any doctrine they wish..

This one is easy. As i was asking this question too someone brought up

Zechariah 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

So who populates? The remnant of the nations. Thats the post-trib answer.
But dont pin that on me! Im just repeating what i've read lol

Actually,most of postrib doctrine is a soft shoe dance around our verses. 90% of postrib doctrine is anti pretrib. they circle that wagon, 'round and 'round. seeking a shot under the armour.

(because postrib has zero).

Pssst....what you guys need is a rapture example AFTER JUDGEMENT. And an example of a rapture in a destroyed earth apocolyptic ssetting. (there are none) Oh,and then,according to the erroneous post trib rapture,we never get to heaven,we jump on riderless horses and return. So you also need an example of some deliverance with a uturn back to the place of departure.
That right there kills it.

A Prophetic word for CONFIRMATION.. I AM NOT TAKING YOU OUT OF THIS WORLD, for I have NEVER PROMISED you a RAPTURE, for I have never promised you that I would do that, why would I. For I AM COMING TO YOU, so where are you wanting to go, I ASK, and ANSWER ME, if thou have any understanding. For you are not coming to Me, for I AM coming unto YOU, with Heaven in My hands, saith YAHOSHUA, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.. Mark 14:62 And YAHOSHUA said, I AM: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

I AM YAHOSHUA who is the Christ meaning the ANOINTED ONE, unto YOU, who are of the GENTILE NATIONS/NATIONALITIES of the WORLD, called MANKIND, and unto the JEWS, I AM, MESSIAH. But who I AM NOT is JESUS/Yeshua in whom they had "REPLACED" MY SAVING NAME WITH, throughout My FATHER'S Holy Scribes/Scriptures, WHEN I LEFT YOUR WORLD AGE, which was also when your FREE WILL TEST, had begun. I AM NOT JESUS/Yeshua who have taught you his lies and traditions that is NOT MY FATHER’S WORDS, have you not READ.. For My FATHER is AGAINST THOSE that teach his CHILDREN to "FLY" to "SAVE" their "SOULS". He is AGAINST THIS FOOLISHNESS, saith YAHOSHUA, who is Christ, unto YOU, and unto the JEWS, I AM, MESSIAH, fulfilling the Father Scriptures... Ezekiel 13:20- 23 Wherefore thus saith the Lord thy FATHER; Behold, I am against your pillows, WHEREWITH YE THERE "HUNT" THE SOULS TO MAKE THEM "FLY", and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

For I have PRAYED to My FATHER NOT TO TAKE YOU OUT OF THE WORLD, but rather to PROTECT YOU FROM THE EVIL that is about to come unto you soon. And this is ONLY DONE THROUGH MY NAME, saith YAHOSHUA, who is Christ unto YOU, who are of the GENTILE NATIONS/NATIONALITIES of the WORLD, called MANKIND, who are YOU, and unto the JEWS, that did not RECEIVED ME, when I came unto them, I AM, MESSIAH, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.. John 17:6-9 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17:15:20 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

They have been lying to you in their JESUS/Yeshua name, in whom they had "REPLACED" MY SAVING NAME WITH, THROUGHOUT My FATHER'S Holy Scribes/Scriptures, the EVENING I LEFT YOUR WORLD AGE. Just as they had done unto YOU. When the "ADDED" the Title of GOD, then DECEIVED YOU, into WORSHIPING A "GOD", who BACKWARDS, which Satan loves to do, is the VERY "DOG", in which I told the GENTILE WOMAN, that Ancestors were worshiping a GOD, instead of their "CREATOR", in whom we call ABBA, and not GOD, but ABBA, which means FATHER, have you not read, or have they not taught you this? Saith YAHOSHUA, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures... Matthew 15:22-28 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then YAHOSHUA answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

For there is ONLY ONE GOD that is IN THIS WORLD, and his name is SATAN. For he is the GOD that has blinded the MINDS of My FATHER'S CHILDREN, saith YAHOSHUA, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures..
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost. In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of the FATHER, should shine unto them. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our the FATHER into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord thy FATHER, and our Lord YAHOSHUA Christ.

For your "CREATOR" is not called GOD. His "TITLE is "ABBA", which means FATHER, have you not read, or have they not taught you this? Saith YAHOSHUA, who is Christ unto YOU, and unto the JEWS, I AM, MESSIAH, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures.. Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, the FATHER hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “ABBA", Father. Mark 14:36 And he said, “ABBA", Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Roman 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, “ABBA", Father.

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