Hearing The Word of Faith

p_rehbein · Dec 10, 2018

Romans, Chapter 10

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

p_rehbein · Dec 10, 2018

Reason for posting this is to ask opinions about the embolden verse.

Believing comes from hearing............right? If so, then it would follow........

Hearing the Word of Faith preached

Confess Jesus is the Messiah? ......... Believe God raised Him from the dead

Salvation achieved?

Believing with the heart = righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation?

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

All of this being so..............would you agree that Preachers are a very important part of Gods Salvation Plan?

eternally-gratefull · Dec 10, 2018

A preacher in this verse is anyone who declairs the gospel. It would be all of us. Not sure if this is what you are looking for. But what is your interpretation of preacher here?

pottersclay · Dec 10, 2018

Preacher by definition means kin or kinsmen, by preaching the promises of God and our testimony of what he has done in our lives through the power of the Holy Spirit we are able to continue our Lord's ministry of salvation. Which is full circle of James 1:22
Be ye doers of the word and not hearers only deceiving your self.

Miri · Dec 10, 2018

Preaching is important but not necessary.

My aunt became a Christian while hearing the 23rd psalm read over
my grandfathers grave. It was her wham bam there is a God moment.
Only she calls it her road to demascus moment.

She came home from the funeral service a changed person.

Miri · Dec 10, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Exactly what I was thinking. It’s more about hearing the word and God doing
something with that, or even reading the word.

What about all the countries where it is illegal to preach or even own a
bible. The persecuted church is thriving despite a lack of open preaching.

reneweddaybyday · Dec 10, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

The word "preacher" in Rom 10:14 is the Greek word kēryssontos (from kérussó).

kérussó means to herald (proclaim); to preach (announce) a message publicly and with conviction (persuasion); "preaching by a herald sent from God".

As a "preacher", we are to announce / proclaim Jesus Christ is Lord and God raised Him from the dead. And, yes, each born again believer is (should be) a "preacher" of this good news.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 10, 2018

reneweddaybyday said:

The word "preacher" in Rom 10:14 is the Greek word kēryssontos (from kérussó).

kérussó means to herald (proclaim); to preach (announce) a message publicly and with conviction (persuasion); "preaching by a herald sent from God".

As a "preacher", we are to announce / proclaim Jesus Christ is Lord and God raised Him from the dead. And, yes, each born again believer is (should be) a "preacher" of this good news.

Yes, this is what I see also!!

reneweddaybyday · Dec 10, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

I also thought about 2 Cor 5:19-20 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 10, 2018

reneweddaybyday said:

I also thought about 2 Cor 5:19-20 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Yes, Thank you!!

Sipsey · Dec 10, 2018

Romans 10:14- preacher

dcontroversal · Dec 10, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Amen....any and all that proclaim the correct message of salvation, which by the way is the only message with power to save.....!

Nehemiah6 · Dec 10, 2018

p_rehbein said:

1. That's exactly what Romans 10 says. And it also says, they are *sent*, which means that it is a calling. Not all who attend seminary or Bible school are necessary called.

2. Furthermore there are three spiritual gifts connected with this -- evangelists, pastors, and teachers, and all can and should preach the Gospel. There is no excuse for any preacher to fail to present the Gospel, regardless of the subject under consideration.

3. That however, does not exclude other Christians from sharing the Gospel, and also proclaiming the Gospel, since that is the meaning of preaching (Gk kerux).

4. It is a proclamation, not subject to debate. People can either believe the Gospel, or disbelieve it, and there are significant consequences either way (Mk 16:15,16)

5. And since the Gospel is to be preached to *every creature* (every human being) that also means that Unconditional Election according to TULIP is totally false. Since all must hear the Gospel, all can also obey the Gospel, and God will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

6. The Gospel must be preached in its totality, and then all hearers must know that God COMMANDS all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). Which means that ignoring the Gospel message is not an option for anyone.

seed_time_harvest · Dec 11, 2018

Miri said:

I personally would not like to hear that preaching Is not necessary although I Do agree with you,I would rather say that a person that has been saved will preach faith and the time Is now.

p_rehbein · Dec 11, 2018

Looking at Gill's thoughts on vs. 15:

And how shall they preach, except they be sent
There is no proper, rightful, regular, and lawful preaching of the word without a mission, which is either extraordinary, or ordinary; extraordinary mission was such as the apostles themselves had; who, as they were called to extraordinary service, had extraordinary qualifications, and were sent forth in an extraordinary manner, with a power of doing miracles, and immediately by Christ himself. Ordinary mission is of men to be pastors and teachers, which includes qualifications for the ministerial work; for whom Christ sends forth into such service, he bestows gifts on them, fitting them for it, some more, some less, but all have some; and it also includes a call unto it, which is either internal, and by the Spirit of God, and lies partly in the furniture he gives, and the inclination of the heart to this good work which he forms; and which arises not from a vanity of mind, and a desire of popular applause, and worldly views, and sinister ends; but from a real concern for the good of souls, and the glory of Christ, being willing to deny themselves, and forsake all for Christ, to suitor reproach for his name's sake, and to forego all worldly interest, and secular views: or is external, which is given by the churches of Christ, after due trial and examination of gifts, and a serious consideration of the matter, and that in the most solemn manner; and this is what may be properly called a preacher's mission, and none but such who are in this way sent out ought to preach the Gospel: and to such well agrees, and may be applied, that passage in ( Isaiah 52:7 ) , where

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Romans 10 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible

p_rehbein · Dec 11, 2018

Matthew Henry's thoughts as well:

These things are written that you may believe. But hearing only is mentioned, as the more ordinary and natural way of receiving information. (3.) They cannot hear without a preacher; how should they? Somebody must tell them what they are to believe. Preachers and hearers are correlates; it is a blessed thing when they mutually rejoice in each other—the hearers in the skill and faithfulness of the preacher, and the preacher in the willingness and obedience of the hearers. (4.) They cannot preach except they be sent, except they be both commissioned and in some measure qualified for their preaching work. How shall a man act as an ambassador, unless he have both his credentials and his instructions from the prince that sends him? This proves that to the regular ministry there must be a regular mission and ordination. It is God’s prerogative to send ministers; he is the Lord of the harvest, and therefore to him we must pray that he would send forth labourers, Mt. 9:38 . He only can qualify men for, and incline them to, the work of the ministry. But the competency of that qualification, and the sincerity of that inclination, must not be left to the judgment of every man for himself: the nature of the thing will by no means admit this; but, for the preservation of due order in the church, this must needs be referred and submitted to the judgment of a competent number of those who are themselves in that office and of approved wisdom and experience in it, who, as in all other callings, are presumed the most able judges, and who are empowered to set apart such as they find so qualified and inclined to this work of the ministry, that by this preservation of the succession the name of Christ may endure for ever and his throne as the days of heaven. And those that are thus set apart, not only may, but must preach, as those that are sent.2. How welcome the gospel ought to be to those to whom it was preached, because it showed the way to salvation,

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Zmouth · Dec 11, 2018

p_rehbein said:

So how did Saul come to Jesus since he wrote "for he that cometh to God must believe he is" yet Paul did not believe in the teachings of Jesus until he says Jesus came to him.

p_rehbein said:

and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

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Saul must have heard the teachings of Jesus from the disciples of Jesus whom Paul had persecuted, considering that it is written:

49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.

50 Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)

51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?

John 7:49-51

yet Paul wrote he did not believe until he saw a light above the brightness of the sun, and heard a voice without seeing a man.

p_rehbein said:

and how shall they hear without a preacher?

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So how did the preachers hear except but they read. And if the preacher wasn't taught all things by the anointing they received then they didn't receive the anointing. And if they didn't receive the annointing then they don't have the doctrine of Christ, and whosoever abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 11, 2018

Again, I would go with the greek. That says any preacher of the word, which would include all of us.

The fact is, there is not enough preachers (ordained etc) on earth to spread the word. Ther job is to equip their flock, so their flock can go into the world and “preach” the word

Sipsey · Dec 11, 2018

p_rehbein said:

Do you think the “hearing” aspect of the Word is emphasized more in Scripture because it was the most common mode of sharing? It would seem that a lack of scrolls and even the ability to read them, at least in certain periods of history, would make “reading” from or quoting from memory the most likely way God’s words were shared?

An example on the emphasis of vocal proclamation would be the “blessing” mentioned early on in Revelation for the one who “reads” it. It was enlightening when I looked up the Greek for “read” and it said, “read aloud,” as in a public settting and the blessing for the one who “hears” was the one who understands or comprehends. Many modern translations have corrected this but who truly comprehends and properly understands the entire scope of Revelation, that they be blessed?

p_rehbein · Dec 11, 2018

Sipsey said:

Do you think the “hearing” aspect of the Word is emphasized more in Scripture because it was the most common mode of sharing? It would seem that a lack of scrolls and even the ability to read them, at least in certain periods of history, would make “reading” from or quoting from memory the most likely way God’s words were shared?

An example on the emphasis of vocal proclamation would be the “blessing” mentioned early on in Revelation for the one who “reads” it. It was enlightening when I looked up the Greek for “read” and it said, “read aloud,” as in a public settting and the blessing for the one who “hears” was the one who understands or comprehends. Many modern translations have corrected this but who truly comprehends and properly understands the entire scope of Revelation, that they be blessed?

If you read the Commentary, you will see how it shows that hearing is part of the way........reading as well......

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