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Noblemen

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2 Corinthians 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

What is an Ambassador, I can tell you they are not self-appointed. Ambassadors are appointed by their government to serve a President, Prime Minister, King, and so on. Their government sends them to represent their government to foreign governments.

Ambassadors have no opinion, they speak only for their government. They don't give their ideas on how their government may handle circumstances and situations with other governments.
They know exactly what their government wants, and that is all they speak, nothing more or nothing less.

When you get self-appointed Ambassadors they do not know what their government wants and therefore have to speak and interject their opinion.

In our present Christian world, I think there are too many self-appointed ambassadors who represent a volume of information that they have learned about the King, rather than a relationship with the King.
They have become disconnected from their King and His kingdom.

More often, they represent their own thinking and interpretation of what He is doing rather than who, in truth and reality, He is and what His plan is. In their minds, they have distilled down His plan and purpose to meet their needs and agendas. They are trying to use Him to enhance their kingdom.

The ambassadors who are useable to our Father in Heaven have been broken of their self life. They see themselves (the independent self-life) as dead with Jesus on the cross. They know that they really have no life or faith of their own, and are left here to represent the King by the life of the Son (Jesus Christ) in them and working through them.

They rule over their flesh by Christ in them, as He ruled over His flesh when He walked on the earth. They see the world and its system for what it is, temporary, dying and illusive with all its glitz and appeal toward sin which ends in death.

These ambassadors have peace in the midst of turmoil, they see light shining through the darkness, and have hope while all around them is despair. While living on the earth, they see past the present world system with all of its problems and delusions, to the spiritual realm. That is the realm which they represent and to which they are going. The realm or kingdom that they represent is so far removed from the one they are living in, that what is going on in this present world system has no permanent effect on them other than in the physical realm (that is, how it affects their temporary life on earth).

It has no permanent affect on their spiritual life. They have become (as was the Apostle Paul) transcendent people, i.e. people who—by Christ in them as their only real life—prevail over their earthly limitations. These are people whose lives always bear the dying of Jesus (denying their independent self-life) so that Life (Christ) may be imparted by Him (Christ) in them to others.
 

Journeyman

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#2
Many great insights in your post although I believe the insight of this goes farther,
Nobelmen said,
These ambassadors have peace in the midst of turmoil, they see light shining through the darkness, and have hope while all around them is despair. While living on the earth, they see past the present world system with all of its problems and delusions, to the spiritual realm. That is the realm which they represent and to which they are going. The realm or kingdom that they represent is so far removed from the one they are living in, that what is going on in this present world system has no permanent effect on them other than in the physical realm (that is, how it affects their temporary life on earth).
I believe this physical realm we live in isn't far removed from God's Kingdom. I think were currently living in God's Kingdom, only it has a veil, or curtain over it like in 2Kin.6:17
 

Noblemen

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#3
Many great insights in your post although I believe the insight of this goes farther,
I believe this physical realm we live in isn't far removed from God's Kingdom. I think were currently living in God's Kingdom, only it has a veil, or curtain over it like in 2Kin.6:17
Yes I'm sure it is much deeper than we suppose, do you have anything you can add. It's seems the more you begin to see the less you realize you know, that has been my understanding. To me, I'm interested in anything someone has to say because we are all being led and taught by the same teacher :)
 

Noblemen

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#4
Many great insights in your post although I believe the insight of this goes farther,
I believe this physical realm we live in isn't far removed from God's Kingdom. I think were currently living in God's Kingdom, only it has a veil, or curtain over it like in 2Kin.6:17
Rereading your thoughts; I believe we are in the kingdom now also, I believe it is the kingdom of Christ (which is spirit) and not an earthly kingdom or an earthy people. We are not of the world but seated with Christ in heavenly places.
 

glf1

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Hey! Y'all...
When we were born of the Spirit we became many things. Eternal Kings and Priests after the order of Melchizedek. Heirs of God and joint-heirs with Jesus. Ambassadors with the keys to the Kingdom of God, granting entry to those who are chosen as we share the word of God with them: because we have been made into able ministers of the gospel with both the word and the ministry of reconciliation, by the Spirit who indwells us.
PTL! : )
 

Journeyman

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Yes I'm sure it is much deeper than we suppose, do you have anything you can add. It's seems the more you begin to see the less you realize you know, that has been my understanding. To me, I'm interested in anything someone has to say because we are all being led and taught by the same teacher :)
Well, Jesus said he gives us his peace (Jn.14:27). His peace passes all earthly understanding. We know in Christ, nothing can harm us (Lk.21:18). We are indestructible right now (Jn.11;26).

Christians are waiting for Jesus to return and Jews are waiting for the Messiah to come the 1st time and set up his kingdom. They cite passages such as Isaiah 11 to show that his kingdom isn't here yet, but the love and joy and peace Isaiah speaks of which the Messiah brings, pertains only to those in God's holy mountain, his kingdom, which we are now part of.

Rereading your thoughts; I believe we are in the kingdom now also, I believe it is the kingdom of Christ (which is spirit) and not an earthly kingdom or an earthy people. We are not of the world but seated with Christ in heavenly places.
That's right and since we are seated with him, ruling with him should be though of the same way. Jesus isn't going to return and pass out physical iron rods to his church so that believers can dash the ungodly to pieces. I do believe the iron rod believers rule by is the word of the Lord. It's his word that crushes his enemies. We were his enemies once. Personally, my world, my old life, was fractured, smashed in pieces by the word of the Lord.

There will be a final judgment when Jesus returns in person, but at that time, his kingdom is complete. And our resurrection, our transformation, will prove it.
 

Journeyman

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Hey! Y'all...
When we were born of the Spirit we became many things. Eternal Kings and Priests after the order of Melchizedek. Heirs of God and joint-heirs with Jesus. Ambassadors with the keys to the Kingdom of God, granting entry to those who are chosen as we share the word of God with them: because we have been made into able ministers of the gospel with both the word and the ministry of reconciliation, by the Spirit who indwells us.
PTL! : )
That's right and what greater authority is there than that? None.
 

Lanolin

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#8
Ambassadors represent their King and nation.
Often they are sent out to go before the King arrives. They would not be sent out if the King did not actually intend to visit. Will we see Him face to face? I believe yes we all will. How can He wipe the tears from our eyes if He is not actually physically present.

Till that day we proclaim the kingdom to come.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#9
2 Corinthians 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

What is an Ambassador, I can tell you they are not self-appointed. Ambassadors are appointed by their government to serve a President, Prime Minister, King, and so on. Their government sends them to represent their government to foreign governments.

Ambassadors have no opinion, they speak only for their government. They don't give their ideas on how their government may handle circumstances and situations with other governments.
They know exactly what their government wants, and that is all they speak, nothing more or nothing less.

When you get self-appointed Ambassadors they do not know what their government wants and therefore have to speak and interject their opinion.

In our present Christian world, I think there are too many self-appointed ambassadors who represent a volume of information that they have learned about the King, rather than a relationship with the King.
They have become disconnected from their King and His kingdom.

More often, they represent their own thinking and interpretation of what He is doing rather than who, in truth and reality, He is and what His plan is. In their minds, they have distilled down His plan and purpose to meet their needs and agendas. They are trying to use Him to enhance their kingdom.

The ambassadors who are useable to our Father in Heaven have been broken of their self life. They see themselves (the independent self-life) as dead with Jesus on the cross. They know that they really have no life or faith of their own, and are left here to represent the King by the life of the Son (Jesus Christ) in them and working through them.

They rule over their flesh by Christ in them, as He ruled over His flesh when He walked on the earth. They see the world and its system for what it is, temporary, dying and illusive with all its glitz and appeal toward sin which ends in death.

These ambassadors have peace in the midst of turmoil, they see light shining through the darkness, and have hope while all around them is despair. While living on the earth, they see past the present world system with all of its problems and delusions, to the spiritual realm. That is the realm which they represent and to which they are going. The realm or kingdom that they represent is so far removed from the one they are living in, that what is going on in this present world system has no permanent effect on them other than in the physical realm (that is, how it affects their temporary life on earth).

It has no permanent affect on their spiritual life. They have become (as was the Apostle Paul) transcendent people, i.e. people who—by Christ in them as their only real life—prevail over their earthly limitations. These are people whose lives always bear the dying of Jesus (denying their independent self-life) so that Life (Christ) may be imparted by Him (Christ) in them to others.
I agree with everything you said! Save 1 little detail you either knowingly, or unknowingly left out.

This "King" you speak of? Has a God and Father!

In the "Making GOOD" The "Lord's promise" TO "My Lord", in "sitting down on My right side, UNTIL I MAKE thy enemies THY Footstool?" As in giving Christ this earth before allowing Christ to return? (Psalms 110:1)

What this earth/age/generation NEEDS? Is more "Priests of God!"

There's already enough "Priests of Christ!"
 

Journeyman

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Ambassadors represent their King and nation.
Often they are sent out to go before the King arrives. They would not be sent out if the King did not actually intend to visit. Will we see Him face to face? I believe yes we all will. How can He wipe the tears from our eyes if He is not actually physically present.

Till that day we proclaim the kingdom to come.
I think the problem is scripture is misinterpreted in a way that makes the promises of God all future and none present. For instance,

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Thes.4:13

Of course we still cry when loved ones die, but we also rejoice in knowing in the Lord we'll see them again. And,

And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. Act.5:41

The shame they rejoiced about was a beating.
 

breno785au

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#11
I agree with everything you said! Save 1 little detail you either knowingly, or unknowingly left out.

This "King" you speak of? Has a God and Father!

In the "Making GOOD" The "Lord's promise" TO "My Lord", in "sitting down on My right side, UNTIL I MAKE thy enemies THY Footstool?" As in giving Christ this earth before allowing Christ to return? (Psalms 110:1)

What this earth/age/generation NEEDS? Is more "Priests of God!"

There's already enough "Priests of Christ!"
What's the difference?
 

Lanolin

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I think the problem is scripture is misinterpreted in a way that makes the promises of God all future and none present. For instance,

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Thes.4:13

Of course we still cry when loved ones die, but we also rejoice in knowing in the Lord we'll see them again. And,

And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. Act.5:41

The shame they rejoiced about was a beating.
Yea thats the thing when people cant see spiritually and totally rely on flesh. But the spirtually realities will be done on earth AS IT IS in heaven. Hope thats seen is not hope at all, for who hopes for something they already see.

When people rejoice in a beating, its because they have that future hope. If they had no hope at all, they would be going well God doesnt care. BUt He does. When our love ones die in the Lord we know we going to see them again. That is future hope, otherwise we would be seeing resurrected loved ones all the time right now.
 

Journeyman

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Yea thats the thing when people cant see spiritually and totally rely on flesh. But the spirtually realities will be done on earth AS IT IS in heaven. Hope thats seen is not hope at all, for who hopes for something they already see.

When people rejoice in a beating, its because they have that future hope. If they had no hope at all, they would be going well God doesnt care. BUt He does. When our love ones die in the Lord we know we going to see them again. That is future hope, otherwise we would be seeing resurrected loved ones all the time right now.
Not to get off track on being ambassadors, but the passage you referred to, about hope seen not being hope, is one reason why the idea of unbelievers getting saved after Jesus returns, after seeing him in all his glory in some future 1000 year reign, cannot be true. Were saved by our hope, by our faith, by not seeing
 

Hevosmies

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I believe this physical realm we live in isn't far removed from God's Kingdom. I think were currently living in God's Kingdom,
Luckily this isnt true. If it were, what a bummer! Terrible kingdom, this place sucks. I cant hear from my right ear properly, all kinds of things wrong with my body. If this is the kingdom, WOW. What a disappointment.

I hope nobody believes that.

The actual, physical, REAL Kingdom is COMING. SOON. Thats the hope.
 

Journeyman

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Luckily this isnt true. If it were, what a bummer! Terrible kingdom, this place sucks. I cant hear from my right ear properly, all kinds of things wrong with my body. If this is the kingdom, WOW. What a disappointment.
But isn't It great to know how corruptable the flesh is,

Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. 2Cor.12:10

How's that for an Ambassadors message? Hahaha

I hope nobody believes that.

The actual, physical, REAL Kingdom is COMING. SOON. Thats the hope.
Christ's Kingdom is transformation of what's here,

the kingdom of God is in your midst Lk.17:21
 

breno785au

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Matthew 12
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
2 Corinthians 5:
19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. 20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin,[d] so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

Here I am trying to understand why this person is making a distinction between ambassadors of God and ambassador of Christ...
We see Paul here clearly has no issue with describing us as ambassadors of Christ, God making His appeal through us.
Now, I'm trying to understand this seemingly superior ambassador of God title, since Christ and the Father are one, why is a distinction being made.
Sounds dangerous to me.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#20
2 Corinthians 5:
19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. 20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin,[d] so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

Here I am trying to understand why this person is making a distinction between ambassadors of God and ambassador of Christ...
We see Paul here clearly has no issue with describing us as ambassadors of Christ, God making His appeal through us.
Now, I'm trying to understand this seemingly superior ambassador of God title, since Christ and the Father are one, why is a distinction being made.
Sounds dangerous to me.
1 Peter 1
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1 John 1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

1 Timothy 1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Do you see the commonality, in their paying homage TO THE FATHER AND GOD OF CHRIST? that ALL these authors in the N.T. use in their "opening statements?" There are more! But, this should give you an idea! NOT ONCE, DID THEY DENY THE FATHER AND GOD, OF CHRIST! NOT ONCE!!

It sounds dangerous, because it IS dangerous! :)

To my knowledge, there is ONLY 1, that would stand in the Temple of God, proclaiming himself that He IS God!

What "shudders me" TO MY CORE! Is that so MANY people "truly, and actually" BELIEVE my 2nd statement!

While they "blow off" EVERY opening statement, and greetings from every Disciple, or Apostle, that the Father has sent to them!

Meaning? You can't accept the son, and deny His Father, and Will of God, and STILL fancy oneself as being "Christian!"

2 Thessalonians 2
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
16 NOW our Lord Jesus Christ "himself", AND God, EVEN our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

THIS, IS THE DIFFERENCE! And, it IS HUGE!