Not By Works

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i have looked at 1 cor 6:9-10 galatians 5:19-21 many times too and said "Welp we're all done for"

I've heard the ridicilous you lose rewards in the kingdom nonsense a thousand times over, but it doesnt mention nothing about rewards it says wont inherit the kingdom to begin with.

The "its to the jews" excuse doesnt work either.

I think the best way to look at these verses is that they are talking about a PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR in someones life. Meaning if someones life is characterized by these things then them folks arent saved.

OR alternatively nobody just is saved today lol. Problem with that is, it contradicts some other bible verses.

Does anyone have any REAL explanation to these verses?

Yes, it truly is an amazing covenant:

The power of sin is the law/the legally enforceable law written on stone with the power to condemn 1Cor15:56



So God did an amazing thing, he abolished a law written on stone, but transferred what was written on it onto tablets of human hearts and minds, simply meaning, in your heart you do not want to steal, covet, murder, take the Lords name in vain etc. The fact that law is now in your heart cannot bring condemnation to you, for you have a saviour from your sin/your sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more.

It really is such an awesome covenant, though your sin has been paid for, this can never be viewed as a licence to sin, for if you wilfully go against how you in your heart know you should live and want to live, you will be struck by a conscience, you must, for that is always the result of us going against how in our hearts we know we should live. The believer is not perfect in their flesh and will commit sin, but no born again believer can sin without conscience, for the law is in their heart. Anyone who can wilfiully sin without conscience was never born again in the first place. So as God removed a licence to sin by placing the law in your heart, he was free to give you a saviour from your sin simalteaneously

The born again Christians heartfelt desire to obey can now come to fruition, for what opposes obedience/sin was dealt a crushing blow by Christ dying to remove its true power from your life(righteousness of obeying the law). So Paul states:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14



And:



Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yea, we establish the law Rom3:31

That is how it is supposed to work.



However, Woe betide the person who gets into wilfull deliberate sin, plays with fire as it were and is entangled back up in it, following after the flesh rather than how they in their born again heart know they should live and want to live. It is a tortuous life, that can end in ruination:



But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal5:18-21



Paul of course is not speaking of one particular sin, but ending up generally living a lifestyle of sin. It can start with just one thing, and if not checked quickly spread so fast.

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’[b]

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’

God put Jesus on the cross for wretched sinners like us...
Jesus laid down His life for us...
God gave His one and only begotten Son , humans were the tools...xox...

I am grateful for your post, I wanted to write back. I most sincerely hope, nothing I have debated on this thread would give you any cause for concern, for normally you are chatting to people who have been Christians for decades, and no matter what you write, it is mostly ignored rather than accepted if it differs from their point of view.
I just wanted to say, from the posts I have read of yours, in my view you are a true Christian, and should fear nothing where your eternal future is concerned
God bless

These are from Fran:

post 83745 "I'm not posting anymore.
You could PM me. "

post 83641
"I'm leaving here. If you want to speak to me you know where to find me.
I'm shocked that you've been on this thread. TTYTT.
You don't belong here. Your above post proves it.
God bless you Bill. "

post 83633 " Couldn't agree more on everything. I feel like this: Mathew 7:6 I pour my heart out and it's trampled upon. I have one more post to @mailmandan and then I'm outta here. "

post 83621
"Hi A, Hi M,
I've followed your posts and the are very correct.
But...
I'm thinking that our time here is pretty much wasted.
I'm going to withdraw and leave those that misunderstand the bible AND what Jesus and the other writers said to speak amongst themselves since they all seem to believe they are so correct in their understanding. @Budman actually stated that he could do and live as he wants because he "believes" in Jesus --- whatever that means.

I have two more posts to write and that'll be it. "


For those that are unaware, this poster was banned over a year and a half ago, for vile, vicious, hateful posts against MANY

Back then, as well as now, she has been adamant that we MUST be obedient to the Lord, and His commands or we will lose our Salvation.

Forget about the complete, and utter lack of love she displays, and think about she made up at least one, if not many, deceptive accounts, to resume her assault here.

Now, look at how she multiple times expressly said she was leaving the thread, only to come back a week later to spew venom.


I'm asking you Fran. You have repeatedly lied, deceived, and been unloving. In light of the fact that you INSIST that we obey the Lord's commands or be lost, how in your mind, do you live with your hypocrisy?

Just like a new born baby... They do not love us mothers when first born , they only need us , to feed them , love them and take care of them , then as they grow , they come to know that we are trustworthy , and when we get that first hug from them , a mother truly knows that their child is giving love back for the first time ...xox...

So be it. We get to test your integrity now.

Watch. Now either Fran, or some other hater that made multiple accounts, will run around sprinkling disagrees!

Imagine how unfulfilling your life must be to actually make multiple accounts and spend the time hating people?

Integrity?

Another believe as i believe or else your a (insert whatever name they wish to use at the time)

Yes, the prove their integrity, or should i say lack of. Amen brother

I haven't put you on ignore....yet, Im sure I will not have to

What did you mean by "moving on"? Either move on and prove your integrity, or stay and don't. BTW. I think I'll somehow survive if you ignore!

I don't think moving on from chatting to some people bars me from responding to others dies it? Ah yes, I said I would move on to a more mature debate, I may have chosen my words unwisely, you can have mature debate with some anywhere.

Well I agree with you. However it doesn't explain how they can somehow justify their glaring hypocrisy in their own minds.

When I got saved , I came to Christ thirsting , I was truly hungry for His word ...Only through reading after about a year I could say " I love You Lord "...I already had Gods love poured in my new heart , now I was learning the love of God , and He was removing from me the false love of the world , it takes time to get our minds renewed , and when we can lift our eyes up to God with love in our hearts for Him , our love grows deeper and deeper , it is a process...xox...