Does God make Christians sick to take them home?

Hi Kelby, what is the correct understanding of verse 7??

Isaiah 45 King James Version (KJV)
45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

We must not seek to find sin in sothrs rather we should seek to show mercy where ever possible. It becomes easier with practice.

1 Jn 5: 16, 17
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

An amazing ability given to us from the Lord so that we might minister life to the brethren who're stumbling into sin.

Does God make Christians sick to take them home?

At the same time, each person has their allotted time on earth, and that *bullet* won't find you before that time.

I would say no he does not make Christians sick to take them home.

I say this because if he has to make them sick to bring them home then we are saying that he is reacting to a belivers life that he was not aware would happen.

I agree with @Nehemiah6



Given the above I would say that from creation God knows the day we would be born and the day we will die. I personally believe that nothing we can do will change that.

When Adam &Eve sinned the plan of redemption was already in place.
God knew the exact time he would come to earth in the flesh and die on the cross.

So for me I believe God knows every year, month, day, minute and second of our lives.
He knows or are his and those who are not (side note I don't believe this to be an excuse to not preach and walk in the gospel of Jesus)

Death will come to all as a result of sin.

So I believe God will allow a believer to die to bring them home.
Not just of sickness though and not inflicted, but allowed.

Given your question my assumption is (and I could be wrong) that you ask the question that God makes them sick in order to bring them home incase they lose salvation.

Acts 10:38 And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

From these 2 scriptures, sickness came from Satan. When God created Adam and Eve in the Garden, sickness did not exist. Sickness came in when sin came in.

That does not answer the question. You have not addressed scriptures put forth by others.

I would say no he does not make Christians sick to take them home.

I say this because if he has to make them sick to bring them home then we are saying that he is reacting to a belivers life that he was not aware would happen.
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Given the above I would say that from creation God knows the day we would be born and the day we will die. I personally believe that nothing we can do will change that.

I might suggest that God has a day appointed for each of us, but does allow us to affect it.

For example, consider how Adam's sin affected his lifespan, if you believe God intended him to life forever.

Here are a few scriptures suggesting that man's actions might influence the day/time of one's death. (I especially appreciate Ecclesiastes 7:16 statements of some rarely taught side effects of wisdom, knowledge and righteousness, so it's included as a bonus)

Ecclesiastes 7:16-17 KJV
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself? 17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

Ezekiel 13:19 KJV
And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

THE CONSECRATION OF THE SAINT

“12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself put not forth your hand. So Satan went forth from the Presence of the LORD. (There were limitations placed on what Satan could do, as there are with all Believers. Concerning this, Williams says: “Job does not symbolize an unconverted, but a converted, man. It was necessary that one of God’s children should be chosen for this trial; for the subject of the Book is not the conversion of the sinner, but the consecration of the Saint. It is evident that an unconverted man needs to be brought to the end of himself; but that a man who feared God, who was perfect, and who hated evil should also need this is not so clear.

“We find in this Book that God uses Satan, calamity, and sickness to be His instruments in creating character and making men partakers of His Holiness. Such were the instruments; but the Hand that used them was God’s; and the facts of this Book explain to Christian people, who, like Job, are conscious of personal integrity, why calamities, sorrows, and diseases are permitted to afflict them.”)” Job 1:12

“22 Confirming the souls of the Disciples (pertained to the new converts in these areas), and exhorting them to continue in the Faith (it is not he who begins, but he who finishes), and that we must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of God (quite a different Message than that being presently proposed).” Acts14:22

Until the time came to fulfill his dreams, the LORD tested Joseph’s character. (Regarding the mission that God had for Joseph, which Joseph was not even aware of, he would have to be put to the test. Faith must be tested, and great Faith must be tested greatly.)” Psalm 105:19 NLT

“10 Behold, I have refined you, but not with silver; I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction. (Israel was “refined” in Egypt, and was to be “refined” after Isaiah’s day in Babylon, and will be “refined” during the coming Great Tribulation. The “furnace of affliction” always has to do with wrongdoing on the part of the individual or nation. The Lord allows the affliction, hopefully, that it will bring the person or nation to Repentance! Consequently, Israel still has one great “furnace of affliction” to go through!)” Isaiah 48:10

“7 That the trial of your Faith (all Faith is tested, and great Faith must be tested greatly), being much more precious than of gold that perishes (the emphasis is the testing of our Faith to show whether or not it is genuine; the Holy Spirit says such is more precious than the testing of gold, which is the most precious commodity in the world; is our Faith really in the Cross or not?), though it be tried with fire (the fire of temptation, trouble, etc.; such are meant to show the weakness), might be found unto Praise and Honour and Glory (which can only be done if the Cross of Christ is the sole Object of our Faith) at the appearing of Jesus Christ (we are being prepared by the Holy Spirit as fit subjects for the appearing of our Lord, as it regards the Rapture):” 1 Peter 1:7

JSM

THE CONSECRATION OF THE SAINT

“12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself put not forth your hand. So Satan went forth from the Presence of the LORD. (There were limitations placed on what Satan could do, as there are with all Believers. Concerning this, Williams says: “Job does not symbolize an unconverted, but a converted, man. It was necessary that one of God’s children should be chosen for this trial; for the subject of the Book is not the conversion of the sinner, but the consecration of the Saint. It is evident that an unconverted man needs to be brought to the end of himself; but that a man who feared God, who was perfect, and who hated evil should also need this is not so clear.

“We find in this Book that God uses Satan, calamity, and sickness to be His instruments in creating character and making men partakers of His Holiness. Such were the instruments; but the Hand that used them was God’s; and the facts of this Book explain to Christian people, who, like Job, are conscious of personal integrity, why calamities, sorrows, and diseases are permitted to afflict them.”)” Job 1:12

I agree with what those scriptures disclose.
The person I was referring to did not die due to being handed over to Satan, he died due to his occupation, one he chose before turning 21 years old and while still in his Church he never left out from, he was over two different functions of it.
His occupation placed his life in the control and hands of those who order his steps, mistakes can happen and cost people dearly and those steps taken were by orders beyound the control of the one who carried them out. They are given by those far from the one taking them out or the one who ordered them to take them.
The one who was killed never lost his zeal or love of The Lord Jesus Christ or his Church.
The way and days ahead of the day he was killed laid far greater the devastation to his mind, heart and soul if he went into them, he would have never been able to have accepted it, it would have crushed him living with it and embedded into his memory.
I have seen the sickest out live the healthiest while, everyone thought the sickest was going to die and they did not, they lived another 22 years longer.
I think our hearts, minds and souls are of much greater the value of worth unto the Lord above all else, I think things can change in this world while somethings cannot. Mainly the Word of God cannot change.
Be it sickness, be it tragedy we all die in the flesh as appointed once unto us all, yet, we all do not have to die from a broken heart, mind and soul.
I think the Lord save us from that.

I thought that was spiritual death, did I miss the point?