Question about Scriptural Interpretation

Really, you were not being hard on Hervosmies - What about the "on with your meanless attacks . . ." and "your bias blinds you" - you mean I have to take back my red angry face! that was too much fun . . .

I don't care if you leave it or not that is your opinion and have the right to it. I'm sure you have more context to the person in question than I, as I can see all that everyone says and speak from the position on knowing. But you are entitled to your comments

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! I have to take my angry face back! Oh well, that was fun!

The born again Hebrews that knew God, others read prophecy and refused to believe in a God, not seen. Others maybe never heard a word.

I see it more as one letter to His bride the church. Unbelieving Jews like unbelieving gentiles stand on the same fallow ground. The Bible is written to mankind. It reveals the thoughts of her pursuer drawing her with his labor of love.

But you need to ask the best one-and that's me!

You do know ive grown around pentecostals and attended?

Thats why I made the guess, they never discuss theology from the pulpit. Its mostly practical preaching and short sermons, LOONG worship services tho.


Attacks LOL. I dont care if you're a moderator, i didnt write that as an attack, if you thought it was, man you are soft...

I have said jokes about calvinism many times here too. In fact here is one:

Calvinist is never early, nor is he late, he shows up just when he is predestined to!

Jesus says this
If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
Luke 9:23

What does Jesus mean? What is our cross? How is the cross and following linked?

Jesus tells us to abide in His word, to let it dwell within us.
The linking of scriptures, attitudes, balances, perspectives are all subtle and all inter-layer and
until you walk the path you do not know how it works.

So there is the problem. The word is living in the hearts of His people, and its meaning is as
He brings it out to them in their circumstances. And it changes as we grow and different things
speak to us.

So the answer to the question is both work, and both can fail.

Amen,

Yes, there May be 10 or more categories. But each group has their own interpretation of the categories..

You responded to thr question about the firtst group , who are those who keep on constantly sinning (those who are born of God )

What about those who keep on constantly sinning, what does it say about that GROUP?

Do you accept there is more than one interpretation of scripture?
Some want to argue "theirs" is the only one, like they have the hotline to God ...... oooooo

Actually it makes me laugh, some say
"Prophets do not exist anymore, or the gifts,
but I uniquely can tell you what this passage alone means from God"
which is what prophetic ministry is, lol. Bit of a problem when you get it wrong though.

Amen! I call that the isolate, build and ignore method of interpretation. Isolate a pet verse, build doctrine on it, then ignore the overall full message from the entire Bible on the matter. Some will also try their best to force the rest of scripture to "conform" to their biased interpretation of a pet verse. It's called flawed hermeneutics. We need to rightly divide the word of truth and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine.

You got that right Mailmandan.. And we get our fair share of single verse preachers in here for sure..

Amen.

Working through position is so important, and loving those who oppose your position, because they
maybe right and you be wrong.

I have seen people use the term deceived, false teacher, liar, no honesty, no integrity, not seeing scripture
that clearly says .......

Bias is always dangerous, understanding how we come to every verse and scripture with a whole series
of beliefs that put it into context, while for another the context is totally different.

I believe in critical thinking, being a cynic and seeing the others views as well and other ways of thinking
about an idea or passage. Some say, you heretic, you are not using biblical terms so must be wrong.
But truth is truth, from whatever angle you look at it. It is why Jesus is God, the creator, the word made
flesh.

And ideas have fruit, and the fruit can show the error of the interpretation though it might appear innocent.
So if I say future sin is forgiven, how can this be? I do not know what future sin I will do, or when or if.
As it has not come into being, how can I be forgiven.
But the future sin forgiven concept means the consequences of that sin are not important.
And that is evil and irresponsible. We as the people of God are responsible for our sin, much more so if
we walk with Him. And our witness is as we love the King this sin grieves us so, so we will do anything
to put it right, like David did with Bathsheba.

Now this is just one example I can follow, but if I am wrong, I am open to correction, because that is
the point of growing in grace and truth, we are always open.

I believe there are many interpretations of scripture

But the fact is, there is only 1 interpretation which is correct.

God is not the author of confusion.

We are held accountable to test all spirit. To study to shew ourselves approved, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.

If our interpretation or theology is wrong. All we can do is pray it does not affect us much or take us out of being affective for God. If our gospel is wrong. We are doomed (headed to hell and do not even know it) and a wrong doctrinal stance on certain positions or doctrines can lead to devistation and fights and extreme hatred if we are too proud to admit or to at least confess we have to be open that we are wrong.

There indeed is a penalty to pay for our sins.. People suffer for their sins on earth.. God says He disciplines His Children.. people can be scared for life because of their former sins and face great worldly penalties for the sins of today.. But when it comes to an Eternal consequence for sin that has been removed for those who believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement that pays the Eternal penalty due upon us for our transgressions against Gods will..

People who agree with the will of God, that it is good will naturally avoid sinning against his will.. They will not use the grace of God as a license to sin.. But inevitably we all sin because we are weak and faulty human beings..

David lost his first son from Bathsheba that was the price he had to pay along with the shame of having his sin exposed to the people around him.. Because He did not resist the conviction God put upon him through the prophet Nathan.. But he quickly acknowledged his sin without resistance..

2 Samuel 12: KJV
13 "And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die."

"Once you are capable of restoring order out of miseries of confusion,
hurts and pain, and learn to work your way through these times...we may
learn that all the frustrations are not by chance...but nothing less than
a wake up call of God, to learn a better path toward Him and His Love."
'Praise God'

"But inevitably we all sin because we are weak and faulty human beings.."

I will ask some simple questions around this statement, not being judgemental, but exploring its
origins and its prophetic meaning. I say things like this in the past, not now.

We all have sinned. Yes.
Do we know the future, and is Jesus doing a work in us that is changing us? Yes.
Can we see as God sees or know our failings and our true victories? No.
Do we bind ourselves in unbelief by declaring that which God has cleansed and made Holy
unclean when we ourselves know He has cleansed us? Yes.

So we know when we meet Him we will be like Him.
So let us walk in faith, and believe He will complete His work in us and speak this belief.
We walk as He desires, unless we stumble, for which He has provided a remedy in confession
and repentance.

So I believe we catch ourselves in unbelief that harms us and our lives, and grieves the Holy Spirit.
Only God knows our walk and our future, so let us walk in faith and with Him.
So let us proclaim His victory in our lives, and stop the enemy whispering judgement and failure
before it occurs, as if we are bound to sin and not righteousness, which is our calling, Amen.

there is only 1 interpretation which is correct.
God is not the author of confusion.

This is already confusing. Jesus himself denies your assertion

For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
Matt 11:13-14

All words are summaries of ideas, events, intentions.
And summaries are useful but approximations or views of what is needed, appropriate.
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father .... "
"Be holy, because I am holy"
"For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life."

What is possible, what is meant, what is appropriate, what is in ones heart?
All 4 things change how we view these scriptures and their meaning.
And over time that changes.
Unless one is blind to our own experience and frailty, one knows nothing.

Paul talks about peoples consciences and not upsetting the weaker brother because they
will condemn themselves.

So the word is literally a living thing, working and refining the believer as they walk with
Jesus. A dead thing, has no ability to do this, and the one interpretation is such a dead thing.