The Basics of Speaking in Tongues

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amen and Lord Bless you too.

By the way, Holy Roller is not an insult. It speaks of churches where people roll around on the ground after being “slain in the spirit” (hence the term roller) or people who have been emotionally drained so they are crying out and showing all kinds of emotion. So much that there is no organisation in the church and there is no way any pastor could lead any type of bible discussion

EG never claimed ALL pentecostle or churches of God were like this. So once AGAIN CS1 is just looking for ways to attack, based on what he THINKS is being said, and not on reality

And he STILL has not shown where I ever said certain gifts have completely ceased as he said he would do. So he is just blame shifting trying to turn people to look at others instead of his own mistakes.

Yeah thats what I thought

Good to know I was right.. Thank you sir

I would think a person would investigate as to why would God accredit the sign with those who refuse to hear the word of God as a law founded in Isaiah 28 .Which is clear and the theme of the doctrine. .The same one that confirmed it many years later (1 Corinthians 14) .Why avoid looking at the foundation avoid the outcome of the sign . And yet for all that make tongues prophecy (God's word) without effect by the oral tradition of men.

From my experience those who look to confirm the sign as being filled with the Holy Spirit simply are turning things as if things of God where loosed from earth confirming they were heard on high. It is why the doctrine was founded men refused to believe prophecy .

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips (mocking lips) and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Isaiah 28.10-12

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.! Corinthians 14:21-22

Yet for all that they will keep this oral tradition they call a sign gift as if we walked by sight to begin with which is actually a curse they have named tongues also .Two different doctrines apposing each other .The doctrine of God as it is written and those who seek after a signs and wonders gospel as a oral tradition of men

It makes the tradition of God without effect.

Actually, yes we have been attacked. In fact we have been told if we do not experience these things we ar not saved.

I am not attacking either, I am just tryign to share with you that you do not need all those experiences to be used by God.

not at all you are just very ignorant and have short term memory loss issue. It's Ok .

you are wrong but just can't see it

By the way, Holy Roller is not an insult. It speaks of churches where people roll around on the ground after being “slain in the spirit” (hence the term roller) or people who have been emotionally drained so they are crying out and showing all kinds of emotion. So much that there is no organisation in the church and there is no way any pastor could lead any type of bible discussion

EG never claimed ALL pentecostle or churches of God were like this. So once AGAIN CS1 is just looking for ways to attack, based on what he THINKS is being said, and not on reality

And he STILL has not shown where I ever said certain gifts have completely ceased as he said he would do. So he is just blame shifting trying to turn people to look at others instead of his own mistakes.

Short term memory loss?

You mean like you saying I have claimed that certain gifts have ceased, and when I said I have never said it, You called me out to expose me, and when you could not, you continue to do it??



Naww. I may be wrong about tongues and prophecy (I never claimed to know all things) but i am not wrong about what you have done..

But, it's God who gives them so apparently He thinks I need them anyway.

And seven, and CSI. Plus Waggles and the new member who started this thread. And many others here.

They must have value when the source is God. And please don't blaspheme Holy Spirit here. Am not saying this to you EG.

I'm not wanting to cause sin for anyone.

sorry (not sorry) but the term 'holy roller' is most certainly derogatory

it may describe something, but it was not coined by those attending

it is most certainly meant in a derogatory way

Holy Roller

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Holy Roller
n. Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any of various Christian denominations in which spiritual fervor is expressed by shouts and violent body movements.
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Holy Roller
n
(Theology) derogatory a member of a sect that expresses religious fervor in an ecstatic or frenzied way

So God was wrong when he inpsited paul to write that after we hear the word the gospel of our salvation. And after heariing we believe(Faith) We re sealed with the HS? The bible also tells us we are annointed by the spirit? (The holy spirit coming in or being poured on us) The OT example of the priests (we are called priestd) where they were first baptised. Then the sacrifice, then the anointing? Being an example of what God does to his NT priests (US)

Yeah, I think I will go with the word of God ok?


The catholic churhc is the largest church in the world. Are they right in everything? Since when does the MANY prove what is the TRUTH?
What evidence can you provide to show the alleged truth of your supposition?



Holy Spirit Baptism. Baptism represents cleansing. When are you going to understand this biblical fact? All gifts of the spirit come because of the HS being poured out into us (anoint) like oil poured out on the OT priests.

And no. Tongues is not the sign which PROVES one is a believer. Paul says the HS gives gifts as he desires. Tongues is but ONE GIFT. NOT EVERYONE will have the gift of tongues

1st you need to learn what baptism is (col 2 will help you, the spiritual circumcision done without hands through the baptism of the spirit)

Then you need to realise does not need everyone speaking in tongues.

If God needs someone to speak in tongues, he will have it happen. If he does not. He wont, I trust god to do what he needs. Why don’t you?

Tongues is prophecy spoken by God. God is no longer brining any new prophecy after any manner. So what would the purpose today, seeing it an evil generation that does seek after a sign. What kind of attention should one expect for looking to confirm something with a sign?

Well thats what I see. Jesus called the pahrisees white washed tombs, so it is not like people have NEVER used names to point out a specific group of people to call them out.

They are holy rollers. And they are a mockery and an insult to the body of Christ.

I call them as I see them just like everyone else calls things like they see them

No way, for there were people who did not speak in tongues in the New Testament times and what say you they do?

You are just giving a worthless opinion. You didn't even address the scriptures I gave.

No such thing what you say.

can you show me were I said" EG has said the gifts have ceased " Please show me? If I did I think you may have misread what I meant. but for the sake of argument please show me here and now.

can you show me were I said" EG has said the gifts have ceased " Please show me? If I did I think you may have misread what I meant. but for the sake of argument please show me here and now.

that is your presupposition.

I am not in any way able to speak for all Church or even the many on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, what I am able to do is prove that Gifts of the Holy Spirit found in 1cor 12 thru 14 have not been done away with. So your attempt to over reach and assume I am all knowing was an error on your part.

I never said they were so as usual you project facts not in evidence or facts that are not even true.

excuse me are we to go down that road of pointing out what you said before you again try to make insults. let's go back, shall we?

You have a bad habit of not remembering what you said. After I again show you your error we can continue not to continue Ok.

So what are you going to show me? The post where I said I USED TO BE a cessationalist, but that I have now changed my mind? And even when I said I was a cessationalist. I also said that if God needed to use the gift of toungus today, Nothing is stoping him from doing it. So you better make sure you get that post also. Because there are many here who will witness and attest to the fact I have said those things.

I am not making an insult. I am just trying to point out a flaw you seem to have in this issue of tongues.. where you do not see things as you should and act in ways which I am sure it it was any other subject you would agree you should not.

God is no longer speaking to His people? Garee you come up with some preposterous sayings. 😇

your responses are so childish

I have seen you doing this for almost as long as I have been here

you said that it was not a derogatory term and now you say it is a derogatory term

what do you hope to achieve this way?

anyway, I just showed that you were either not truthful or under the wrong impression

you however, just showed you knew all along it was derogatory and said 'they' are a mockery and insult to the body of Christ

try to catch up with yourself

Experience is not the validator of spiritual understanding. If it was what happened in the garden? No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual gifts not seen, yes. Signs and wonders gospel, no. We are commanded to walk by faith. Not a option.