Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.

Each person, in each nation should be careful not to sign a perjury oath on federal forms. Here in the US it is ilegal to buy or sell without signing the perjury oath on the SS application. Once signed you are authorized to buy and sell. The SSN registers each person in the Beast System which then in turn authorizes tribute to be paid which is a prerequisite for authorization to buy and sell.

I'm on SS, the only perjury form was the one that stated that the information I gave was true and correct(I didn't lie) is this the form you meaning?

Not sure, but even tax returns require a perjury oath signature

Quite possible, The Beast System elevating the sanctity or its "rest day", but the buying and selling would only be restricted to one day while all others are without restriction where all purchases and sales are illegal without the SSN on every day.

Yes its an ssa/795 form which states that you gave your true name,residence age ect.

This though I suppose could seem frightful looking at it from a present tense,future tense situation but if you think about it past tense if registering in any nation and stating your name,place of origin ect are true is equal to the mark then Joseph,Mary and the others would have taken it also when they went to Bethlehem to be registered along with the whole world by Augustus. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/2.htm

Interesting point, but I believe that was merely a census, probably no perjury oath required.

Looking at what John wrote in Revelation 13 it is helpful to remember that John would have been familiar with other Biblical references to signs, words, tokens, law, and seals upon your right hand and forehead.

If you reread the Scriptural references to right hand it references an oath, ex Gen 14:22; Ex 17:18 & 36:7; Dan 12:7. An oath is performed with the right hand raised. As I've mentioned before, an "oath" on a government form is a religious ritual. Also, while it may sound odd the scriptural definition of a "god" can be magistrates or judges. Also note that when YHWH (The Heavenly Father) was advocating on behalf of Israel with Pharoah in Egypt that He did not just tear Israel away from Pharoah. He is a God of Laws and recognized the oath of servitude Israel had taken to bond themselves to Pharoah. So, when Pharoah refused to honor YHWH's request YHWH, working through legal precidence sent the plagues as a motivation to Pharoah to release Israel from their bond/their oath to him. So our oaths are binding, YHWH cannot release us from those whom we have made oaths to. Only the one we swore the perjury oath to can release us. Perhaps this sheds a brighter light on the commandment "Thou shall serve no other God before me." Can you detect the prohibition on taking a perjury oath?



Notice that "hands" mentioned without "foreheads" refer to Oaths, but "hands," when mentioned with "foreheads," refer to "loyalty" rather than to Oaths. Also notice that your forehead is reserved for Christ's Mark in Revelation 7 and 14.

When a general or president or some magistrate has "loyal" man whom he can count on he refers to him as his "right-hand-man" a present day term for with him body mind and heart!

So, at this point everyone has taken the perjury oath to the Beast System in their hands. Now, one must ask, if they are bound to the system in their hearts and minds (i.e. have the forehead mark) And, as is intimated in Rev 15:2 can you get the victory over the number of your name? Can you find a way to legally break that bond, to disassociate your person from that number? The whole world over loves the prospect of the SS Check, hence the willingness to pay tribute to the Beast. There are no doubt sacrifices to be made.

If you think about the stark reality of the entire system and its correlation to the Holy Scriptures it should strike us as to just how real it all really is and how conspicuous it is as well. Gives new meaning to the term; "Hidden in Plain Sight".

As "Mii" stated a few days ago; "So if I was born into it I'm doomed? Seems pretty rotten for 300M+ Americans" And as is true, it involves far more people that those in The US alone! This is why these days were referred to as the days of trouble and tribulation.

As you can see some light on this subject let me say that there is SO MUCH MORE on this and other matters pertaining to the warnings in scripture that can be known now that requires constant study and prayer. NEVER forget to ASK our Creator for knowledge and wisdom to apply that knowledge. I make it a constant prayer, all day, every day. There are forces and powers aligned against us "coming to a knowledge" of the facts that make it critical to Seek, Ask, Knock - Seek, Ask, Knock - Seek, Ask, Knock every day.

Hi thanks for the reply

The word sabbath has two applications . One ceremonial in nature the other our daily walk. One as a shadow the other the application.

The word it represents the word rest/sabbath. This is without the additional use of time period . "week". The rest is not a rest of time but of a labor of Christ's love that works in us to both reveal the unseen will and empower us to believe he will walk with us to carry it out as a imputed righteousness' In that way he informs us it does not return void as rest from our labor so to speak ..a rest of faith. It is in respect to hearing his word and believing. It is defined as today or under the Sun as long as there is the Sun and moon the two temporal time keepers. It is Christ who does make our hearts soft in that way.

The word sabbath is neutral in respect to time. It does not mean first day of the week, last day of the week, or middle of the week.

Again it would seem if it is used as time sensitive in one place then it must in other application. Can't put square pegs in round holes.

By using the word week that addition destroys the meaning the 9 times the word sabbath it is used and is written a week . Again there was no Greek word for week .Those who translated it seemed to of taking liberty where they should not of. They most likely supported the ceremonial rest on the 7 th. day and resisted the introduction to the new era of sabbaths .

The Youngs literal supports the word rest/sabbath and does not run into time difficulties It translates the word rest as rest .Again the word is not time sensitive. The portion of scripture below is simply speaking of the introduction of new era of rest periods .

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

The verse below is also affected by changing the word rest (no time) into week(7 days). It literally reads; he fasts twice in sabbath. Three meals were allowed. The person was simply thinking he had bragging rights.

He is shown as not having any idea what the purpose of the fast was to begin with. It would make it more confusing if the word week replaces sabbaths. Its a one day fast. Just like the tithe. Without using the word week to represent time. (I fast twice on the sabbath and give my offering.) Not a sign gift to himself or what so call self-edification. . Not; ( I fast twice during the week and tithe one a week and next week I will fast 13 times.

There is no law or hint of one that requires a person fast twice a week or fast 13 times a week. It defeats the purpose set aside for one day out of seven that a person can participate in the ceremonial law as a shadow the good things to come. . It is not a "sign gift" confirming a person has the Holy Spirit. That is what the faithless Jew sought after .Turning shadows into substance and the true unseen substance faith upside down taking away the understanding of God by their oral traditions of men..

Luke 18:12 KJ I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

It according to my understanding can develop all kinds of problems other than destroying the purpose of the doctrine ; The kind of true fast that can drive out the demons as that in which the apostles at first could not. The gospel a day set aside to offer our bodies as living sacrifice in view of His mercy.

Thanks, well said,

Excellent point. I would say its one of the main keys to understanding how we can hear God . It apposes the idea of sign as wonderment gifts attributed to a evil generation (no faith) Like one that is called unknown tongue, revelation or prophecy without meanings. Words do have meaning attached to them . Change the meaning add to it . It can change the authors indented turning it upside down by diminishing its exclusive authority by which we can please God as it is written in the law and the prophets.

I am sure John understood. He was not given a unknown tongue that would be discovered by smart device that has no spirit life as a chip off the whole new innovation block thousands of years later . And without that kind of interpreter John should not of spoken..
Technology the new age old age doing its round about. Why not sell the idea as do the Amish (no disrepct)

Thank you garee,

Embellishing. amplifying, sensationalizing scripture is a difficult habit to break, BUT as you point out how can we get to true meaning if we make everything the prophets speak, out of the norm. There is a jargon or way of saying something in each era as well as in each nation. In just speaking to a person in the UK today I mentioned I recognized something which was relatively "code" in one of their writings and they said you "sussed" it. Never heard that before, but it meant guessed it right. Here is where the translators job becomes critical. Technically God's Word are the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, but the English translations are just that; translations, and are subject to doctrinal biases and error and out and out deliberate additions and subtractions.

I am not in any way saying that the translations are not very important, BUT the a man who desires pure truth must know how to research and cross check and consult with the Hebrew and Greek and ancient/Paleo Hebrew as well as not make the mistake of using the Strongs Concordance as a dictionary. The scriptures are loaded with details one can gather about Our Creator especially His consistency in thought and action which when we take the time to "know" these nuances we can with the Holy Spirit, intuitively reason the meaning of His words and actions.

Let me start with this one (Matthew 28:1), it says, "Then after the sabbaths [plural], [it] dawning into/unto the first of the weeks/sabbaths [plural]..."

[blb has it like this: "And after the Sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week [plural], Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."]

-- the first "sabbaths [plural]" refers to the two days that had just completed (the Friday Unleavened Bread Nisan 15 day [Jesus was crucified on the "14th"--"In the 14th day of the 1st month at even is the Lord's Passover" Lev23:5]; and the weekly Sabbath/Saturday),

--and the second word "sabbaths [plural]" that was starting, is the "Plural Sabbaths" [following after that] that I was talking about that speaks of a "specific time of the year," i.e. the "weeks" that lead up to the "Feast of Weeks" (Shavuot/Pentecost... "seven sabbaths shall be complete" Lev23:15).

Palm Sunday had been Nisan 10 [Lk19:41-44; Zech9:9], the day Israel would "select" the lamb [Ex12:2-3] and examine it for several days (so the "14th" would have been Thursday)... and this lines up how other factors reveal that ONLY 32ad "fits" all the data (regarding all other surrounding considerations, which I won't go into here).

I'm not seeing any problem whatsoever with seeing "sabbaths [plural]" in these two places in this verse, and what they refer to in context (and both relating to "time elements"... I see that they do. Same for your Luke 18:12 verse, which is not speaking of a singular day [in which he "fasted twice"]).

On your checkbook where you sign on the signature line,it is not a line.
It says something like " authorized signature" or something to that effect.
You need a magnifying glass to see it.

Lol,what if they change it to " i love the ac" lol

lol, I was worried about checks and especially debit cards so at first they let me get my checks in the mail but then they made me direct deposit them when they went paperless and so now I just go to the bank and get cash. I guess it's been ten or more years since I had a check book I get free money orders at my bank and just pay bills with them.

I think though like Jesus says in Revelation that he would write his fathers name on them(Revelation 3:12) and (Revelation 2:17). A white stone is a "yes" and black stone is "no" in https://biblehub.com/greek/5585.htm or http://gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?search=psephizo&dict=vine&lang=greek and other sources. So I see those who revieve the mark as deceived and willfully lining up to take it because they believe he is Jesus writing his fathers name on them.

The amount of times I have studied the prophecy, reading over the entire chapter over multiple times, looking at the current evidence in front of me, and comparing such evidence with the prophecies described concerning the mark of the beast, all the evidence does point towards a mandated vaccination program of some kind. There was at some point in the early history of vaccinations that their were those who though that it was The Mark of the Beast.

When I look at the reference in Rev 13.10, about those who end up in captivity, the question is why are there those going into captivity? The only logical and reasonable conclusion I can come to is that there are man made laws being enforced. And what laws are we seeing today that appears to parallel The Mark of the Beast? Compulsory Vaccinations. Parents who don't comply to get their children vaccinated either face jail or fines, depending on where one lives.

However, I have to admit the other part in Rev 13.10, that refers to those who end up being killed, not sure how that exactly that will be done, could be looking at a death penalty, or perhaps some kind of execution within a prison or concentration camp of some kind?

For arguments sake, let us go on the idea that The Mark of the Beast is a Compulsory Vaccination of some kind (and with all the technologies there is today, we could be looking at AI, Nanobots, implantable technologies that can enable a person to give off a specific radiation signal tied to a specific implant of some type).

So, for example, a what if scenario. What if we have a situation where a major disease outbreak has hit civilization, and a choice has to be made, either get vaccinated or put into prison. It stands to reason with all the computer technology there is today that with such a procedure, once a person gets vaccinated, they would end up in some kind of vaccination database. So a person refuses to submit to such a procedure, said person can be taken away into some kind of quarantine or other type of prison. Such a person is not going to be in a position to go to the shops to buy or sell. Secondly, being the world we live in today, and how everything is all about money, what if those who are in prison refuse to submit? It be cheaper to dispose as there will be less mouths to feed.

So let us analyse the prophecy in more detail, what is one way people can be pressured into accepting The Mark of the Beast? It stands to reason it has to be made into law as compulsory. And at this moment in time, in my opinion, Compulsory Vaccinations is the only thing that appears to match the Mark of the Beast.

And I know I not the only one who thinks like this, there are others out there who too feel The Mark of the Beast is connected with Vaccines.

Good day Alert,

The scripture which states:

"If anyone is destined for captivity, into captivity he will go; if anyone is to diea by the sword, by the sword he must be killed.”

The above is stated after the following scripture:

"Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and he was given authority over every tribe and people and language and nation. And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."

Therefore, those who are being referred to as being taken into captivity, or killed with the sword, are those great tribulation saints of whom it is written:

"They (saints) triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death."

And

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands."

Therefore, the scripture is speaking about those who will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and will have not worshiped the beast, his image, nor receive his mark, which is in opposition to those who dwell on the earth who will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. And because of this some will be taken into captivity and some will be killed by the sword, i.e. whatever God has decided for each individual.

I personally believe that the mark will be not be physically forced upon anyone. When the scripture says, "he (false prophet) forces all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive a mark," I believe that the forcing or causing people to receive the mark, will be because all the other forms of buying and selling, including electronic crediting and debiting, will be made obsolete, "forcing" the inhabitants to receive it because without it no one will be able to buy or sell. To be clear, I don't believe that the beast and his authorities are going to be catching people and forcing them to receive the mark. But those who reject it will those who are for Christ and who are against him and his kingdom, which will result in either their captivity or death.

If the mark was physically forced upon the saints, then how could God hold them accountable? For, they wouldn't be receiving it, but it would be forced upon them. The receiving of the mark must be a willful, purposeful act. And that because it will demonstrate that be willfully receiving it, they will love their lives more than God.

That the mark will be the only excepted way of buying and selling, will be a survival and faith issue.

I do agree, that what ever this mark is, and the method of such enforcement, it cannot be literally forced upon a person, in other words, if 1 person is held down by 10 people and forcibly inject them with something against said person's will or consent, then such a situation cannot be counted as valid, as said person did not agree. A person's consent or permission would need to be present in order for a contract to be valid. The question that remains is how to get people to agree to accept. And there is a good many ways of how to accomplish this.

The reason why I am of the opinion it could be a Mandated Vaccination Program is because of the technologies involved and it is so easy for a person to be implanted with electronic implants via such a method. Not only that, but also seeing the evidence of threats of fines or jail for non-compliance.

At the end of the day, the ones who accept The Mark of the Beast, for it to be counted as willful acceptance, they will be the ones who accept it are the ones who will be submitting themselves to the worldly authorities.

All I want to say to people is please do your research, don't follow blindly, verify everything.

I do however feel based on all evidence available, there is very strong probability this is the generation of which we will see it enforced. We may actually be already witnessing the framework being put into place.

Hello again, Alert!

Regarding the above, there is only one reason that people will except the mark and that because, as the scripture states, "unless anyone had the mark, they would not be able to buy or sell." When the mark becomes the only valid method of electronic crediting and debiting, it will force people to make a choice to receive it or reject it. Those who receive it will be those whose names were not written in the book of life from before the world began (Rev.17:8) and those who reject it will be those great tribulation saints. The latter will know the consequences for those who receive the mark and the former group will only be concerned about saving their lives here and will readily receive it.

Buying and selling refers to any and all money transactions. Therefore since without the mark no one will be able to buy or sell, then there will be no other coercion needed, because not being able to buy food, gas, pay bills, mortgage's, rent, etc., people will gladly receive it. For without that mark a person would not be able to function in society.

An example would be that, if the government announced that cash was no longer a valid form of payment and that only electronic crediting and debiting via a bank card was expectable, then everyone would need a bank card in order to buy or sell and anyone with cash would not be able to. Well, the mark is going to replace cash, checks, as well as the other electronic methods of buying and selling, so that his mark will be the only valid way of making purchases.

You take it or die.
All believers die in the gt.

Regarding the mark, I agree with the "you take it or die" part, but not all of the great tribulation saints die. If that were true, then there would be no Gentiles to repopulate the millennial period. In support of this, we know from scripture that when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age that the sheep and the goat judgment takes place, the sheep being those great tribulation saints who will have survived through the entire tribulation period. We also have the following written regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age:

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." - Isa.2:4

Those who enter into the millennial kingdom will do so still in their mortal bodies and along with the remnant of Israel, will repopulate the earth.

Repopulate in the same corrupted bodies? I would think that nothing changes nothing .

The mark 666 natural a beast of the field as unconverted man is in respect to literal mark of the word, or letter of the word it kills and will not rise to new spirit life. . The punishment that Cain could not bear a living hell. It was carried out till the end .Just as Christ said... mark my word, my will, will be done.