Born Again Speaking in Tongues

I always thought that you had a correct understanding of what it was to be saved. You have just created serious doubt in my mind about what you understand about being saved.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the regenerating the quickening of the soul lost in sin. It is the moment when we are saved and made alive in Christ. There are many fillings of the Holy Spirit that follow the baptism of the Holy Spirit but only one baptism and that at the moment of salvation.

Ephesians chapter 2 makes a clear presentation on this matter. Titus 3:5 tells us of the washing, the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

If you presume to tell me that the bible teaches baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs after salvation then show it from the scriptures and not from opinion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Baptism of the spirit was not given UNTIL that day. That was Gods plan.

It is not a different plan or different event, It is what happens to ALL believers after this point (before this point, this event could not occure, because the HS was not yet sent)

It is not what people want us to think it is. Jesu sspoke of two events.

1. The baptism (cleansing) of the HS
2. The anointing (when the spirit comes upon you) of the Holy Spirit. ) Empowering

People are making the baptism of God into some religious experience, taking away from what it really means.

People did respond.. And have been for months. And proved your scripture did not prove your point

You just can not see it

Good going!

I agree, there is a difference

Beintg baptised with the spirit is the Holy Spirit himself (it is he who is doing the baptizing) baptizing us
1. INTO the death and burial of Christ, and into christ himself (rom 6)
2. Into His body (1 cor 12)
3. Into Christ (gal 3)
4. A spiritual baptism which is th emeans of our spiritual circumcision (col 2)
5. Based on Gods mercy, is the act of God washing us (Titus 3:5) to enable our renewing (new birth) in Christ.

The seal is part of the anointing, where the spirit comes into (not baptized) us.

I am sure DC understand this point.

God did use the HS to immerse me over 40 years ago

If he needs me to spek in tongues, He will give me that gift, Just like he has given me all my gifts.

How then do you know what they prayed? Are you sure it was from God? How?

What if the person prayed over you in your own language, and you knew the words. Would that notbe more powerful?

You did not recieve any gift through baptism of the spirit (maybe from the anointing? I will not deny you maybe spoke in tongues, But I will disagree how you think you received it)

That is not what the baptism of the spirit does.

Thank you for proving one is not saved UNLESS they are baptized

And if you are sealed. You are indwell. This makes no sense. THE Ot people had to pray for it. Not the new.

Your absolute obsession with signs has blinded you to the truth of the gospel. John the Baptist preached the gospel of the kingdom, which was, "..Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 3:2). Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

*Galatians 1:11 - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul clearly stated that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and in Romans 1:16, Paul clearly stated that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The gospel is NOT get water baptized and speak in tongues in order to be saved. That is a "different" gospel.

In this age, therefore, there is a distinct element to the content of the gospel which is called "the mystery of the gospel" (Ephesians 6:19; Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3). This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise (Ephesians 3:1-9). Such equality with Jew and Gentile being united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinct message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into ONE BODY (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13). You need to go beyond (your pet verse) Acts 2:38.

Yes. I believe there is massive confusion on this.
We are Baptized with the Holy Spirit upon conversion.
At that time the Holy Spirit indwells and seals us until the day we receive our Glorified bodies. But the Holy Spirit can come UPON US at different times for different purposes.

Also, I believe the more we walk in the Spirit, the more noticeable His Presence is. I think some people confuse the experience of FEELING His Presence, with some type of baptism of the Holy Spirit Event. We have already seen where the SAME Apostles that were "baptized in the Holy Spirit" in Acts, had ALREADY received the Holy Spirit days earlier.

All I am saying is I've known her a long time and I was astonished to hear her so fluently speaking this language, whatever it was. But I said in another post that I wasn't sure what to think about it. It's interesting to read differing viewpoints here from believers.

Its all good sis.

But I have to question, You said she spoke fluintly. How could you tell if you did not know the language? I ask, because if I went to china, I could think all people I spoke to speak fluently, but I would have no way to tell. Because I do not know the language.

Thank you for compliment😀

I told her at that time I was having some struggles. She asked if it would be ok to pray over me. I said yes, and then she prayed for maybe a full minute or so. By fluent I just mean it came out effortlessly and very smoothly. I don't know what she was saying or if it was even a language for sure. Maybe I shouldn't refer to it as a language. I guess if it wasn't from God, then would be from the devil or simply originating within her own self. Not sure what any other options would be.