The Lord Creates Evil

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Tinkerbell725

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God creates evil for good. He created hell to condemn evil people there. He uses evil people for his purposes which is all for good because God is good. God did not make people become evil but those who become evil by choice, they will be used by God for His glory.
 
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The first thing God established in genisis was the heavens and the earth, the second was order out of chaos. Not removing it but bringing light into the world (cosmos).
Truth in scriptures deal with cause and effect. Evil is the perpetuation of sin. As the flood of Noah demonstrates it does lead to a judgement.
Lucifer was judged.....he became Satan
Anything is this world that is without God (light) is chaos and will be judged.
Sin is a trespass against God. Praise God it can be forgiven and forgotten. Left unrepented it turns into chaos such as the story of mankind.
Jesus came into this world as a light . He also said that we become light by faith in him. Those that choose darkness (chaos) are judged.
The darkness in man is believing in himself ....he needs no God ....there is no God. In genisis we read that Adam and Eve became aware of their nakedness ( self awareness) and we're ashamed.
 
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Tinkerbell725 said:
God creates evil for good. He created hell to condemn evil people there. He uses evil people for his purposes which is all for good because God is good. God did not make people become evil but those who become evil by choice, they will be used by God for His glory.
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Hell was created for the devil and his angles.
 
oyster67

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Tinkerbell725 said:
God creates evil for good. He created hell to condemn evil people there. He uses evil people for his purposes which is all for good because God is good. God did not make people become evil but those who become evil by choice, they will be used by God for His glory.
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Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
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Ecclesiastes 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make straight, which he hath made crooked?

I'm of the opinion, it is mans free choice which God grants everyone, whether they choose to become crooked or not.
 
JamOn

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pottersclay said:
No he created Lucifer...by choice Lucifer became Satan.
He created Adam (first man) by choice Adam became fallen man..
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Ahh are you a Latter Day Saint? that’s their belief, no where in scripture that I know of that God changed the name from lucifer to satan. not saying there isn’t but do you have any scripture that supports the name change?
 
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pottersclay said:
The first thing God established in genisis was the heavens and the earth, the second was order out of chaos. Not removing it but bringing light into the world (cosmos).
Truth in scriptures deal with cause and effect. Evil is the perpetuation of sin. As the flood of Noah demonstrates it does lead to a judgement.
Lucifer was judged.....he became Satan
Anything is this world that is without God (light) is chaos and will be judged.
Sin is a trespass against God. Praise God it can be forgiven and forgotten. Left unrepented it turns into chaos such as the story of mankind.
Jesus came into this world as a light . He also said that we become light by faith in him. Those that choose darkness (chaos) are judged.
The darkness in man is believing in himself ....he needs no God ....there is no God. In genisis we read that Adam and Eve became aware of their nakedness ( self awareness) and we're ashamed.
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Again by who authorized the name change?
 
JamOn

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lucifer, devil, satan are just English versions of the Hebrew word of bright one, morning star.
the name lucifer was a Greek word for the planet Venus. probably why the KJV used it, satan rose in the morning and fell in the evening. The bright one.
 
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Remember in the New Testament when it said that the foolishness of God is wiser than the best of human wisdom, and in another place where it said that God's anger is righteous and just unlike human anger. It is the same here. God's evil is Justice, which is Holy and good. I think this is the right way to see it.
 
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JamOn said:
not saying there isn’t but do you have any scripture that supports the name change?
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Had you carefully studied the matter, Lucifer* "the anointed cherub" is called Satan throughout the Bible. That is the equivalent of the Hebrew ha Satan, which means "the Adversary". And that is God's designation for the devil. Satan is the Adversary or Archenemy of God, Christ, and Christians.

* Strong's Concordance
helel: a shining one
Original Word: הֵילֵל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: helel
Phonetic Spelling: (hay-lale')
Definition: a shining one
 
JamOn

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Nehemiah6 said:
Had you carefully studied the matter, Lucifer* "the anointed cherub" is called Satan throughout the Bible. That is the equivalent of the Hebrew ha Satan, which means "the Adversary". And that is God's designation for the devil. Satan is the Adversary or Archenemy of God, Christ, and Christians.

* Strong's Concordance
helel: a shining one
Original Word: הֵילֵל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: helel
Phonetic Spelling: (hay-lale')
Definition: a shining one
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Yes you are right, but the name was never changed, he wasn’t called lucifer in heaven, that is made up theology out of Isaiah 14. There are several names to describe the adversary. the Catholics have done similar things along other denominations. No where in scripture is it written his name was changed.

Yes ha satan is about the adversary, and just satan is used to discribe people too, I’ve read. I’m not debating rather how many times it’s in the bible, it’s the name change as of was called lucifer in heaven is hog wash.
 
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God does not cause sin or evil, we do this ourselves (James 1:13-15). There is sin that does not even cross His mind (Jeremiah 32:35)

To say otherwise speaks against His holiness.
 
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Author: Elvis Welber
The Lord Creates Evil
Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

It is clearly noticeable in the text above that God is the creator of evil. The word evil comes from the Hebrew ra'râ'âh and applies both to moral evil and to calamities. Nothing that exists in the world came by chance, everything was determined and decreed by God to happen. The LORD has made all things for his own ends, even the wicked, for the day of evil. Proverbs 16: 4.
The Bible clearly shows several passages where God exercises active and sovereign control over ungodly deeds committed by men, let us look at some: 2 Samuel 12.11-12 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up evil out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives and I will give it to your neighbor, who will lie down with your wives before this sun.

12 For thou didst it in secret, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. We see here the punishment of God over David for the sin of murder and adultery that he had committed. A son of David would lie down to bed with his women. In verse 12 God says: I will do this thing. What this means? God would sovereignly control Absalom to do such a sinful act as a punishment upon David. The fact that God hardens the heart of the wicked to sin, does not mean that God is in favor of this attitude. God condemns all moral evil in His holy law. But the Bible is clear in showing that God is the one who creates and controls all evil. Evil exists because God has directly and actively decreed its existence. God sovereignly controls all creatures that there are so many just as ungodly.

Deuteronomy 2:30 And Sihon the king of Heshbon would not suffer us to pass through him, because the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and hardened his heart to give it into thine hand, as it is this day.
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and will multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. Ex. 7: 3.

For what? What Israel sought did not reach him; but the elect overtook him, and the rest were hardened.

8 As it is written, God gave them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see, and ears to hear, to this day. Romans 11: 7,8.
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G-d is Creator of.......ALL.

However, He does not cause application of evil. He allows it to be experienced under certain conditions that are part of His plan.

This is made clear with the Job experience. Study it carefully.
 
preston39

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The Bible has reference to Lucifer no less than 20 times. Devil, Satan Lucifer is the same, just referenced differently depending where and when.
 
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Again by who authorized the name change?
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Your argument is on sinking ground. Weather or not these are names the fact remains God did not create the devil, Satan, he created Lucifer, Lucifer became the devil, Satan by rebelling against God.
 
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The Bible has reference to Lucifer no less than 20 times. Devil, Satan Lucifer is the same, just referenced differently depending where and when.
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Morning star is another, he was among all the morning stars in the beginning.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 
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pottersclay said:
Your argument is on sinking ground. Weather or not these are names the fact remains God did not create the devil, Satan, he created Lucifer, Lucifer became the devil, Satan by rebelling against God.
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Ahhh no, your listening to Latter Day Saint theology, perhaps look into where these English words are derived from and when, did you know the word lucifer wasn’t even used until the 4th century.
 
JamOn

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You haven’t shown some scripture where his name was changed, like lucifer you have fallen and are now called satan. It’s assumption theology pretty simple.
 
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