Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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I would have to agree 100% that I would love for men to do unto me as I have done unto them. but teenagers requiring to get married , I didn't mention anything like that so I don't know the situation you are speaking of. It would be so nice, NO, it will be so nice once the eternal life begins and all evil has been burnt away and no one is doing anything underhanded and you can trust everyone and you do receive what you put out. I can't hardly wait!!!!! Seriously, I am sooo excited for Satan to get here so we can just get it over with already. I could use a good beheading. Not going to miss this body at all. Please don't get me started.
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Why must it be all or nothing? Why can you not accept the faith is counted as righteous to God and the righteous works are just a sign of you faith that helps your light shine in a world of darkness for others to see the glory of God with in you. For them to be able to see how God blesses and when you are blessed like that you cant help but go out a give a hand up and smile at a stranger, aand give a good ear to someone who just needs to talk and to impart some of the wisdom and knowledged you get from the word to some one who really needs it. It is impossible to stop. Why would anyone ever want to make someone feel bad for that. Why wouldn't God want that? What do good works hurt if they are just coming from a place of total love of God and neighbor. Don't you understand we understand. We know but we can't help works they are a fruit of our Spiritt. It sisn't for a reward from God. It really is JUST LOVE of life of the gift of life of the wonders of God. I stop.
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i am thinking he believes himself locked in an epic battle between dispensationalism and covenant theology, because i saw him mention dispensations, and he said i was indoctrinated in covenant theology.
it was last year when i first heard of the term 'covenant theology' -- a co-worker was telling me about it ((tho he said i'd have to talk to his pastor to sort out the questions i asked him; he is a rather young Christian)), so i listened to probably 30 or 40 sermons on the topic by various preachers in sermonaudio's vault. i had heard the term 'dispensationalist' before but never bothered finding out what it was about. i had only heard of it in negative terms, so i figured the people telling me about it probably misrepresent it some, and i generally don't care to know about all the 'camps' in detail whether theological or denominational, because i only care to know the actual truth about God, and the true God -- why muck about with human quibbling? and get mired down in terminology that's probably all ultimately faulty? ((or so goes my thinking. which is why i still have never read even a single word Calvin wrote, nor Arminius, an don't care to))
anyhow my co-worker friend turns out to have been talking about 'new covenant theology' -- which is pretty different. i don't agree with either, nor the 'dispensationalism' i heard preached in the sermons i listened to with the opposing viewpoints.
i can see, tho, from hearing so much about it, how one can get lost in all these things, and forget or overlook the actual truth of scripture. maybe it's by virtue of what i was listening to - because a sermon about one of these theological slants is often written expressly to point out flaws in the opposing ones, or to defend itself against the criticisms of those oppositions, but many of the preachers seemed blinded to what they were reading in the scriptures they referenced, at some level, because they weren't so much looking for Christ in the scripture as they were looking for ammunition against their abstract theological 'adversary' set of ideas. that is, they put these human theological understandings, and systems of interpretation, above the One the scripture is all written about -- if that makes sense?
@Guojing no offense -- i haven't actually read a whole lot of what you've said on the forum; just ain't been that active in the same threads you have been, generally. just being honest about my impression - and wherever i'm wrong in that impression, please forgive the oversight and correct me. being misunderstood bites. serious about the 'don't get too caught up in theological constructs' thing so that we neglect to respect the awesome mystery and profound work and word of God. scripture is infinitely complex, and we don't comprehend the fullness of God's plan and work. we cannot until we are made one with Him in the reconciliation of all things. ((that's my stance)) -- it is strongly imposed on me that we ought to have humility of thought when we take up these deep questions about His nature and purpose, for fear of Him, because that's where wisdom begins
it was last year when i first heard of the term 'covenant theology' -- a co-worker was telling me about it ((tho he said i'd have to talk to his pastor to sort out the questions i asked him; he is a rather young Christian)), so i listened to probably 30 or 40 sermons on the topic by various preachers in sermonaudio's vault. i had heard the term 'dispensationalist' before but never bothered finding out what it was about. i had only heard of it in negative terms, so i figured the people telling me about it probably misrepresent it some, and i generally don't care to know about all the 'camps' in detail whether theological or denominational, because i only care to know the actual truth about God, and the true God -- why muck about with human quibbling? and get mired down in terminology that's probably all ultimately faulty? ((or so goes my thinking. which is why i still have never read even a single word Calvin wrote, nor Arminius, an don't care to))
anyhow my co-worker friend turns out to have been talking about 'new covenant theology' -- which is pretty different. i don't agree with either, nor the 'dispensationalism' i heard preached in the sermons i listened to with the opposing viewpoints.
i can see, tho, from hearing so much about it, how one can get lost in all these things, and forget or overlook the actual truth of scripture. maybe it's by virtue of what i was listening to - because a sermon about one of these theological slants is often written expressly to point out flaws in the opposing ones, or to defend itself against the criticisms of those oppositions, but many of the preachers seemed blinded to what they were reading in the scriptures they referenced, at some level, because they weren't so much looking for Christ in the scripture as they were looking for ammunition against their abstract theological 'adversary' set of ideas. that is, they put these human theological understandings, and systems of interpretation, above the One the scripture is all written about -- if that makes sense?
@Guojing no offense -- i haven't actually read a whole lot of what you've said on the forum; just ain't been that active in the same threads you have been, generally. just being honest about my impression - and wherever i'm wrong in that impression, please forgive the oversight and correct me. being misunderstood bites. serious about the 'don't get too caught up in theological constructs' thing so that we neglect to respect the awesome mystery and profound work and word of God. scripture is infinitely complex, and we don't comprehend the fullness of God's plan and work. we cannot until we are made one with Him in the reconciliation of all things. ((that's my stance)) -- it is strongly imposed on me that we ought to have humility of thought when we take up these deep questions about His nature and purpose, for fear of Him, because that's where wisdom begins
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Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
The ONLY ones who actually keep the law are the ones that are dead to it and alive to God.
Dead meaning not under it, not working at it.
You can't explain this to legalists and judaizers, they don't get it. How can someone be dead to the law and still keep the law? How can someone not work at the law and actually keep the law?
Its called Christianity. Abiding in Christ. Producing fruit which is the FULFILLMENT of law.
Its NOT about working at the law. Or trying to obey the law. Same thing.
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goodness, i never said good works hurt.
what i primarily meant was, to fully know Him, we'd have to have full knowledge of Him - which entails full knowledge and understanding of all scripture, some of which is ridiculously deep and amazing. full knowledge of scripture and the work of Christ crucified & risen includes every verse in the Bible, including this one fantastic one in Romans that says the person who does no work but believes on God who justifies the ungodly is counted righteous for his faith.
that's stupendous!!
that means there exists a faith which has no works ! and it's righteousness in God's eyes!
who fits this description??
i'm not in the least suggesting we make it our goal to be the least in the kingdom. that's crazy talk. i love Him and want always to please Him -- i'm just saying, a right understanding of the gospel has to account for this. which is crazy talk too! because, wow! God justifies the ungodly!? believing that He does is righteous faith!?
what i primarily meant was, to fully know Him, we'd have to have full knowledge of Him - which entails full knowledge and understanding of all scripture, some of which is ridiculously deep and amazing. full knowledge of scripture and the work of Christ crucified & risen includes every verse in the Bible, including this one fantastic one in Romans that says the person who does no work but believes on God who justifies the ungodly is counted righteous for his faith.
that's stupendous!!
that means there exists a faith which has no works ! and it's righteousness in God's eyes!
who fits this description??
i'm not in the least suggesting we make it our goal to be the least in the kingdom. that's crazy talk. i love Him and want always to please Him -- i'm just saying, a right understanding of the gospel has to account for this. which is crazy talk too! because, wow! God justifies the ungodly!? believing that He does is righteous faith!?
But isn't that the most natural part of it. The biggest reason HE had to come here and do it Himself? Without that very first step on HIS part, we have no part. I think it is, maybe not the most spoken of part of faith, but the most recognized as that moment when each one has that epiphany "I have just been touched by God, I feel His grace". At that very moment realize it or not, that is what we all have don't you think? Or do you think that only comes from knowing every scripture, which I hope cause I like it.
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You know what makes me cry (I was going to say the most but there are a couple) in the Word? When we rejected Him as our King in favor of an earthly one. Then when He came in the flesh, we rejected Him again. And now when the false one comes, he is going to be accepted. Gives a whole new meaning to Long suffering, doesn't it?
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