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eternally-gratefull said:
He forgets

According to the law. Which is what those people were going back to which caused them to be apostate. It only took one sin. As james said, break one command, your finished.

So hebrews is in this context. But they refuse to hear it. Because they need their interpretation to hold onto their system.
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AMEN..............their JESUS is not the JESUS of the bible.....that is for sure!
 
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OneOfHis said:
God doesn't fail. If I claimed He did I would be a liar.
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Thats why you will NEVER lose faith. And no one truly born of him ever will..

God never fails us.

On;y those who never have been born of him, but think they have will walk away, because they have never experienced him, and they think he failed them, when he has not.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Still confused.... you think people can be born again..... again?


No.

IF it were possible (and it is not)
to lose salvation...

It is gone for good.


This clearly destroys the efforts of the hebrews who would teach something similar to the modern teachings of revolving door salvation.

It is a garbage doctrine....

I've heard a man say you can be saved and unsaved 1000+ times a day based on your works🤦‍♂️


so ridiculous...
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idiotic as well........!!!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep and look at their history

1. The complained at the red sea
2. They complained after the red sea
3. They complained every time they turned around
4. They failed to trust God to give them what he promised them

They had a life of unbelief.

There was NO faith.
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Moses?

He believe God and is commended for it, but he never entered the
eternally-gratefull said:
Yes

John said those people walked away from God and were not unbelievers, And returned to sin.

They were NEVEr OF US,

According to you. They WERE of us, then walked away and lost salvation.
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That is not what I said. Why did you post about unbelievers, when the conversation is about believers who fall away.
 
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Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

These are people who:-
1. Have tasted the heavenly gift.
2. Have shared in the Holy Spirit.
3. Have tasted the goodness of the word of God.

It is impossible for them to return.
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It is impossible for them to fall away.
 
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OneOfHis said:
I don't know about you but I couldn't fall away. It is impossible for me.

I know God intimately.


If someone could they surely didn't get what I got.

I would advise anyone who could just "stop believing" to examine wether or not truly in the faith.
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Regardless.....if we become FAITHLESS HE ABIDES FAITHFUL because HE cannot deny HIMSELF
 
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Moses?

He believe God and is commended for it, but he never entered the

That is not what I said. Why did you post about unbelievers, when the conversation is about believers who fall away.
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Moses did not enter because of one sin..

Thats not the same as people who CONTINUALLY compained and proved they lack faith in God.

If you think they were saved, that just goes to show you think continually sinners and complainers can be saved.
 
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I must admit I have seen a pattern of those who believe we can lose our Salvation , and that is they are always digging holes and finding things that are not there...

One thing that is really sad and sticks out to me like a sore thumb is that they have no joy , they type in a depressed state , like in a spirit of fear...

I understand this because that is how I started out before reading Gods word and not understanding who was saying what to who , and this made me very shaky...

I pray for all those who believe they can lose the precious gift of our LORDS work on the cross , that they humble themselves and go back to drinking milk , then they can swallow the meat , but not before they chew it...xox...
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Thats why you will NEVER lose faith. And no one truly born of him ever will..

God never fails us.

On;y those who never have been born of him, but think they have will walk away, because they have never experienced him, and they think he failed them, when he has not.
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God does not fail us, but sometimes we fail God. Remember we do worship a just God who requires us to live righteous lives.
 
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Rosemaryx said:
I must admit I have seen a pattern of those who believe we can lose our Salvation , and that is they are always digging holes and finding things that are not there...

One thing that is really sad and sticks out to me like a sore thumb is that they have no joy , they type in a depressed state , like in a spirit of fear...

I understand this because that is how I started out before reading Gods word and not understanding who was saying what to who , and this made me very shaky...

I pray for all those who believe they can lose the precious gift of our LORDS work on the cross , that they humble themselves and go back to drinking milk , then they can swallow the meat , but not before they chew it...xox...
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BOTH workers for and salvation losers dig themselves right into the pit......neither belief portrays faith and or the hope the bible sets forth....and both must be contextually dishonest to peddle either dogma.......
 
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God does not fail us, but sometimes we fail God. Remember we do worship a just God who requires us to live righteous lives.
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We fail God everyday off our lives , weather in thought or deed...
Great is His Faithfulness , His grace and Mercy are new every morning , why do you think He gives us His grace and mercy new every morning ? , because we need it...
 
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Rosemaryx said:
We fail God everyday off our lives , weather in thought or deed...
Great is His Faithfulness , His grace and Mercy are new every morning , why do you think He gives us His grace and mercy new every morning ? , because we need it...
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There you are. And the Good Shepherd will seek the one lost sheep, and the Father will welcome back the Prodigal Son.

Provided they want to return.
 
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God does not fail us, but sometimes we fail God. Remember we do worship a just God who requires us to live righteous lives.
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You can not please god. You have failed. You are failing, and you will always fail to meet Gods standard. As first told by Moses. As confirmed by Paul, and as mentioned by james. All it takes is ONE SIN. And you have failed to meet

Thats the difference between you and me.

You think you have somehow made it.

I think every minute I breath is a gift of God, every day i wake up and I am not in hell is a great day (I deserve hell) I think every gift I receive is from God and is by grace (once again, I deserve hell.)

My faith is in God,. And you can not take that from me.. Your faith? Its not in God.. and God will take your faith from you. If not now. When you meet him.
 
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My sheep
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There you are. And the Good Shepherd will seek the one lost sheep, and the Father will welcome back the Prodigal Son.

Provided they want to return.
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My sheep here my voice and they follow

There is no IF about it.
 
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