Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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I truly believe Paul wrote these words for you in the state you are in right now;

1Co 3:1-3 NIV Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. (2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. (3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Read on to see if you might emerge from this state.
I will be praying for you and the others like you.

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I can see you do the same stuff.

You can not answer me so you attack me. You think your the first one who has done this?

I reported you once for this stuff. I am not afraid to do it again..



You think attacking me is going to stop people responding to you and asking you tough questions? Its not man.

Once again, your your own worse enemy

Once again, You made an accusation that people believe you preach works minus the blood. Can you show one post of one person in CC ever making this accusation against you>

Or will you continue to prove your a liar?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I can see you do the same stuff.

You can not answer me so you attack me. You think your the first one who has done this?

I reported you once for this stuff. I am not afraid to do it again..



You think attacking me is going to stop people responding to you and asking you tough questions? Its not man.

Once again, your your own worse enemy

Once again, You made an accusation that people believe you preach works minus the blood. Can you show one post of one person in CC ever making this accusation against you>

Or will you continue to prove your a liar?
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I truly believe Paul wrote these words for you in the state you are in right now;

1Co 3:1-3 NIV Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. (2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. (3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Read on to see if you might emerge from this state.
I will be praying for you and the others like you.

SG
 
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You still refuse to see your own sin. That is what makes it worse. It would be one thing if you admitted you messed up a few times. But you never do. (At least when it comes to your accusations and being confronted)

Once again, Can you show posts and PROVE the accusations you made a few days ago?

If not. You just continue to prove your the one with the issue, one who LOVES to throw out accusations. But has no capability to BACK HIS accusations. Because they are MADe UP.
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Another - you sinned, your unrepentant, prove x etc.
As a reader, who is not going to mine for the content, in one post I am unclear what this sin is.
In a court of law, you would be laughed out by any judge and told never to return unless the crime with
a proper description and evidence could be presented.

Make no mistake, one sin is worthy of the lake of fire, loss of communion with God, so is very serious.
How is it something so serious is dealt with as if just accusing another is enough before the Lord?
This is both arrogance and ignorance of Gods ways and justice and how we are to deal with sin, with
the testimony of 2 or more witnesses. The testimony of one individual is not enough.

So let me suggest something, is it sinful to condemn another like this?
Does this not appear to be slander and an attempt to smear another, while not providing content?
How on the day of judgement, before God, could one justify this contribution?

And this is always our caution. We are not our own, but ambassadors of His ways. So let us act like this,
for He is our Saviour and King, our Lord and master, who died and rose again for the forgiveness of our
sins, Amen.
 
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Yes, especially in the sense that the God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament.
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Yes, and:

Jas 1:17 KJV Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Heb 13:8 KJV Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Mal 3:6 KJV For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isa 40:8 KJV The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Psa 119:89 KJV LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Joe 2:12-13 KJV Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: (13) And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Rev 1:8 KJV I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Mat 6:13 KJV And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

He is the same! His desire is that we should know righteousness as He defined it and to shun evil, and He made a way to deliver us from that evil, and if we should walk in that way, we will walk by default in His Laws that are eternal and change not!
 
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SimpleGardner said:
I truly believe Paul wrote these words for you in the state you are in right now;

1Co 3:1-3 NIV Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. (2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. (3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Read on to see if you might emerge from this state.
I will be praying for you and the others like you.

SG
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The thing about certain tactics is they strike me as insane, disconnected with the content responded to,
as if the two hang together but actually only in their mind. You get hints of their minds thinking, like we
are a caricature of a self justifying hypocrites who want to appear good while actually being deceived
and evil. So all ones words are taken in this light and responded to, rather than as honest expressions
from the heart.

I gave up being empathetic to these mind games, because only the way of Jesus leads to life and the
Holy Spirit. It is impossible to bring sight to the impure, so God to their mind is distorted and what
is important is simply not in the gospel.

My emphasis today is to help Gods people be aware of the tactics, and know how to handle the hearts
and intent of these people, because though they know the words, love and truth is far from them.

We can know this by simply quoting Jesus and getting the enemies response. There is no compromise
with evil or evil behaviour. This is our dividing line, and we can never go over it. In Jesus we all know
this and our hearts and very being cry out to this truth.

Over the years, no matter the "spiritual experiences" that are expressed, the fruit has been the same.
Speak to love and an open heart, Jesus is there, if not, sin still reigns supreme. God bless you
 
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Yes, and:

Jas 1:17 KJV Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Heb 13:8 KJV Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Mal 3:6 KJV For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isa 40:8 KJV The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Psa 119:89 KJV LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Joe 2:12-13 KJV Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: (13) And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Rev 1:8 KJV I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Mat 6:13 KJV And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

He is the same! His desire is that we should know righteousness as He defined it and to shun evil, and He made a way to deliver us from that evil, and if we should walk in that way, we will walk by default in His Laws that are eternal and change not!
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So are you going to tell us HOW MOSAIC law helps us understand righteousness?
You keep saying it does. Yet you never actually come out and give us the DETAILS of how it does this?
 
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The thing about certain tactics is they strike me as insane, disconnected with the content responded to,
as if the two hang together but actually only in their mind. You get hints of their minds thinking, like we
are a caricature of a self justifying hypocrites who want to appear good while actually being deceived
and evil. So all ones words are taken in this light and responded to, rather than as honest expressions
from the heart.

I gave up being empathetic to these mind games, because only the way of Jesus leads to life and the
Holy Spirit. It is impossible to bring sight to the impure, so God to their mind is distorted and what
is important is simply not in the gospel.

My emphasis today is to help Gods people be aware of the tactics, and know how to handle the hearts
and intent of these people, because though they know the words, love and truth is far from them.

We can know this by simply quoting Jesus and getting the enemies response. There is no compromise
with evil or evil behaviour. This is our dividing line, and we can never go over it. In Jesus we all know
this and our hearts and very being cry out to this truth.

Over the years, no matter the "spiritual experiences" that are expressed, the fruit has been the same.
Speak to love and an open heart, Jesus is there, if not, sin still reigns supreme. God bless you
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There are volumes to the meaning of;

"They hold the truth in unrighteousness..."

This is where they are. They are like the church of Corinth.

Here are words that say it better than I can;

Few will deny that this mixedness in Christian life and work is a great bane, and seriously interferes with the effectiveness of both. This must be so, because it is a subversion of God’s order, and, as we have previously intimated, the creature will not be permitted with impunity to interfere with the laws established by the Creator. This was Paul’s trouble in the Corinthian Church. The Christians were possessed of a regenerate babe-life which Paul calls “carnality.” They lived a kind of suspended life, now dominated by the flesh and now by the Spirit, and the result was an elementary experience, envying, strife, and division (I Cor 3). Those who are living this mixed life are spoken of as double-minded (more exactly double-souled) men (James 1:8). There is only one cure for such a condition. It is the converging of all the desires and affections in the same center, viz., the love of God’s will and glory. When this is the case true singleness of heart is experienced. “If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.”(Matt 6:22)

Before we can live the unmixed life, and belong no longer to the carnal but to the spiritual Christians, we must be willing to know the extent of the mixedness in our own character, for what the eye does not see the heart will not grieve over. Before we invite God to search us, let us pause and ask whether we are willing that He should make a thorough work of this self-discovery, however painful and humbling it may be. If not, we had better not begin; for it is better to be without the light than to possess it and be disobedient.

From; "Beyond Humiliation-The Way of The Cross"
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So are you going to tell us HOW MOSAIC law helps us understand righteousness?
You keep saying it does. Yet you never actually come out and give us the DETAILS of how it does this?
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10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.
Psalm 111

7 The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his precepts are trustworthy.
8 They are steadfast for ever and ever, done in faithfulness and uprightness.
9 He provided redemption for his people; he ordained his covenant forever- holy and awesome is his name.
Psalm 111

4 You have laid down precepts that are to be fully obeyed.
5 Oh, that my ways were steadfast in obeying your decrees!
6 Then I would not be put to shame when I consider all your commands.
Psalm 119

27 Let me understand the teaching of your precepts; then I will meditate on your wonders.
28 My soul is weary with sorrow; strengthen me according to your word.
29 Keep me from deceitful ways; be gracious to me through your law.
Psalm 119

God law, His precepts, are the foundation of righteousness and His ways.
Loving God with everything we are, and loving our neighbour as ourselves is everything, and
is also the law.

For any believer to wonder at how this could be true, testifies to where their heart is and what
is not written on their heart and mind.

And what is also interesting, anyone who claims a believer is saying the law is just being told
to be written on their heart and mind, and needs explaining do not have this reality in their
own lives, so obviously doubt this is true. You cannot undermine a reality by declaring you
do not experience it yourself, unfortunately that is just declaring ones own lack or possibly
self awareness.

God bless you.
 
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FollowHisSteps said:
The thing about certain tactics is they strike me as insane, disconnected with the content responded to,
as if the two hang together but actually only in their mind. You get hints of their minds thinking, like we
are a caricature of a self justifying hypocrites who want to appear good while actually being deceived
and evil. So all ones words are taken in this light and responded to, rather than as honest expressions
from the heart.

I gave up being empathetic to these mind games, because only the way of Jesus leads to life and the
Holy Spirit. It is impossible to bring sight to the impure, so God to their mind is distorted and what
is important is simply not in the gospel.

My emphasis today is to help Gods people be aware of the tactics, and know how to handle the hearts
and intent of these people, because though they know the words, love and truth is far from them.

We can know this by simply quoting Jesus and getting the enemies response. There is no compromise
with evil or evil behaviour. This is our dividing line, and we can never go over it. In Jesus we all know
this and our hearts and very being cry out to this truth.

Over the years, no matter the "spiritual experiences" that are expressed, the fruit has been the same.
Speak to love and an open heart, Jesus is there, if not, sin still reigns supreme. God bless you
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I appreciate your emphasis FHS,

In our country we cannot fully appreciate the freedom to worship and honor the One True God the way He desires. Many other nations still have inquisitors to this day! And as is witnessed, even in our country we have them as well, but they are as dogs behind a gate.

"While it is yet day" We need to share the Liberty that we have "in Christ" not from the Law, but from sin! Our liberty is one in which we are freed from "sin and death" which is just another way of saying "separation from our God" to become "Sons of God" another way of saying "walking and living" according to His ways! What are His ways? Righteousness! Righteousness is living without sin! Sin is a violation of the Law! Righteousness is living without violating the law! How? By the gift of His Holy Spirit that gives us a new heart that Loves God, Neighbor, i.e. His Laws!

Are the dogs barking yet? If so, let them bark, tune them out!
 
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SimpleGardner said:
There are volumes to the meaning of;

"They hold the truth in unrighteousness..."

This is where they are. They are like the church of Corinth.

Here are words that say it better than I can;

Few will deny that this mixedness in Christian life and work is a great bane, and seriously interferes with the effectiveness of both. This must be so, because it is a subversion of God’s order, and, as we have previously intimated, the creature will not be permitted with impunity to interfere with the laws established by the Creator. This was Paul’s trouble in the Corinthian Church. The Christians were possessed of a regenerate babe-life which Paul calls “carnality.” They lived a kind of suspended life, now dominated by the flesh and now by the Spirit, and the result was an elementary experience, envying, strife, and division (I Cor 3). Those who are living this mixed life are spoken of as double-minded (more exactly double-souled) men (James 1:8). There is only one cure for such a condition. It is the converging of all the desires and affections in the same center, viz., the love of God’s will and glory. When this is the case true singleness of heart is experienced. “If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.”(Matt 6:22)

Before we can live the unmixed life, and belong no longer to the carnal but to the spiritual Christians, we must be willing to know the extent of the mixedness in our own character, for what the eye does not see the heart will not grieve over. Before we invite God to search us, let us pause and ask whether we are willing that He should make a thorough work of this self-discovery, however painful and humbling it may be. If not, we had better not begin; for it is better to be without the light than to possess it and be disobedient.

From; "Beyond Humiliation-The Way of The Cross"
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Ok dude once again

Back up these claims

Show us where we hate obedience. Where we hate gods laws where we hate righteousness

You can not even back your claims, your just like the person your talking to.. you blame shift, you attack you Act political by giving political answers

Your agreeing with a banned person, i guess this just shows the kind of person you are.

Come on man, instead of callint me names for once prove me wrong
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ok dude once again
Back up these claims
Show us where we hate obedience. Where we hate gods laws where we hate righteousness
You can not even back your claims, your just like the person your talking to.. you blame shift, you attack you Act political by giving political answers
Your agreeing with a banned person, i guess this just shows the kind of person you are.
Come on man, instead of callint me names for once prove me wrong
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A person who loves obedience, righteousness, love, speaks to these things and encourages
others to do good and takes delight in good deeds.

How do you know someone supports a sports team? You ask them how often they watch the
team play, and how they react when they win or lose.

So which team do people support? Those who walk righteously or sinners who rebel and openly
sin?

And proving people wrong or right has never been the point. It is calling people to Jesus and His
word and ways that is our calling. It is up to the individuals what they do. God bless you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ok dude once again

Back up these claims

Show us where we hate obedience. Where we hate gods laws where we hate righteousness

You can not even back your claims, your just like the person your talking to.. you blame shift, you attack you Act political by giving political answers

Your agreeing with a banned person, i guess this just shows the kind of person you are.

Come on man, instead of callint me names for once prove me wrong
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I truly believe Paul wrote these words for you in the state you are in right now;

1Co 3:1-3 NIV Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. (2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. (3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Read on to see if you might emerge from this state.
I will be praying for you and the others like you.

SG
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ok dude once again

Back up these claims

Show us where we hate obedience. Where we hate gods laws where we hate righteousness

You can not even back your claims, your just like the person your talking to.. you blame shift, you attack you Act political by giving political answers

Your agreeing with a banned person, i guess this just shows the kind of person you are.

Come on man, instead of callint me names for once prove me wrong
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if they are sooo right, and we are sooo wrong, them they should engage with us, and prove us wrong. after all, they know Scripture better than we do, should be easy.

but, for some reason, they don;'t seem interested to engage......
 
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if they are sooo right, and we are sooo wrong, them they should engage with us, and prove us wrong. after all, they know Scripture better than we do, should be easy.

but, for some reason, they don;'t seem interested to engage......
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Its what certain people do. How many times have we witnessed how many people do the same thing?

Sadly, I think it is a mindset.. Especially among certain groups.. If only they could see we want what is best for them, Not to defeat them, Thats the furthest from our mind.

Paul attacked jews, Yet he said if he could give up his life so all would be saved. He would..

Yet they had him killed because they thought he hated them and God..
 
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SimpleGardner said:
I truly believe Paul wrote these words for you in the state you are in right now;

1Co 3:1-3 NIV Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. (2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. (3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Read on to see if you might emerge from this state.
I will be praying for you and the others like you.

SG
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I truly believe you are incapable of answering my questions You are incapable of backing your claims of what you CLAIM people say about you. You are so deep in your mind sure your right, You will not even accept chastening from people, or admit you could possibly be wrong.

I will be praying for you. I was you once, And believe it or not. I can prety much tell everything you will do. Because I used to do the same things.

But its all good.. If you do not listen, people comming in to see what you are doing will see. If one person is kept away from your legalistic mindset and learns the true meaning of walking in step with the spirit and bearing the fruits of the spirit. Then all is well.
 
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I obey the Words in Red , along with the instructional Scripture in the New Testament.
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Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Ok. Do you obey the laws of God?
 
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SimpleGardner said:
I truly believe Paul wrote these words for you in the state you are in right now;

1Co 3:1-3 NIV Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. (2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. (3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Read on to see if you might emerge from this state.
I will be praying for you and the others like you.

SG
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When you see people such as this? Being gentiles themselves who refuse in complying with this?
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, ACCEPTABLE TO God BY Jesus Christ.
They don't "get it!" They CAN'T "GET IT", from where they are, and to whom they teach concerning.
Though, they claim to be wise? They are speaking from a foolish and darkened heart, and spirit!

They have not built up a spiritual house, and are not an holy preisthood. But, rather, preist's of this:
2 Thessalonians 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 
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Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Ok. Do you obey the laws of God?
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this is a false question. what Jesus was doing here was speaking to jews, who were all under the Law of Moses, which was a Covenant made between God and Israel at Sinai,

you do understand how covenants work, don't you? both sides have to enter, with a animal sacrifice, and oaths by both sides, with penalties for violating them.

now, in Leviticus 26, God specifically spoke to Moses about the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt"

what covenant? the one I just described .

so, you see ms. ann, if you cannot trace your ancestry back to those who 2 walked across the red sea, then you were not placed under that Covenant by God.

so, no, I do NOT have to keep the letter of the Law of Moses. as a Christ following gentile, I am to be manifesting the Fruits of the Sprit ( no Sabbath keeping mentioned in them), which if I am properly doing, I will produce the righteous intent that the Law was designed to do, but could not do.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Ok. Do you obey the laws of God?
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What part of he tried to obey these two commands is so hard to comprehend?

No one obeys ALL the laws of God. So why would you even ask such a thing?
 
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