Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

When you see people such as this? Being gentiles themselves who refuse in complying with this?
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, ACCEPTABLE TO God BY Jesus Christ.
They don't "get it!" They CAN'T "GET IT", from where they are, and to whom they teach concerning.
Though, they claim to be wise? They are speaking from a foolish and darkened heart, and spirit!

They have not built up a spiritual house, and are not an holy preisthood. But, rather, preist's of this:
2 Thessalonians 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Ok. Do you obey the laws of God?

Daniel 12 (KJV)
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and *knowledge shall be increased.

*strongs 1847-cunning. Strongs 3045 has a further rendering of knowledge. Much too long to hunt n peck out here. Reading this along with 1847, however gives one a somewhat more "sinister" sense of what is inferred in the word knowledge as used in this verse. I think the word GREED, for "this knowledge", could be used as well. Not to mention the cunning that is incorporated in its using against Christendom, in the furthering the "traditions of man."
The very fact we are grafted "wild olive trees?" Makes this so much harder in the detecting of, overcoming, and the "stablishing" the "law", that we as Christ Men are to do!

Concerning cotton polyester blends etc. etc.
Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
I think we can include cotton blends, in articles of clothing in this. can we not?

Concerning moral laws?
Romans 1 (NIV)
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Keeping in mind the meaning of the word knowledge, as used in Daniel 12:4?
Ecclesiastes 1
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Well Said!,

We love our Heavenly Father, it manifests itself in loving His words. The Holy Spirit bears witness to our hearts as we read His words, yes, even His OT laws which our redeemer summarized so well! When we read and come to knowledge of the truth and find joy in it we live out that Joy and righteousness. It flows out as brotherly kindness, tenderness, compassion and gentle guidance in the way. This example is what Draws All Men Unto Jesus! This is what men desire to emulate from the heart!

this is a false question. what Jesus was doing here was speaking to jews, who were all under the Law of Moses, which was a Covenant made between God and Israel at Sinai,

you do understand how covenants work, don't you? both sides have to enter, with a animal sacrifice, and oaths by both sides, with penalties for violating them.

now, in Leviticus 26, God specifically spoke to Moses about the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt"

what covenant? the one I just described .

so, you see ms. ann, if you cannot trace your ancestry back to those who 2 walked across the red sea, then you were not placed under that Covenant by God.

so, no, I do NOT have to keep the letter of the Law of Moses. as a Christ following gentile, I am to be manifesting the Fruits of the Sprit ( no Sabbath keeping mentioned in them), which if I am properly doing, I will produce the righteous intent that the Law was designed to do, but could not do.

The Holy Spirit within you gives you this answer, yes? My wordy post should answer this pretty clearly,

The holy spirit gives me the answer of how to relate to the law, yes. But in a discussion group like this, it doesn't mean that I understand what other people are saying. So I often ask them to clarify.

I reread your post again, and to me it looks like you are saying that you attempt to follow the letter of the law. Though, as I understand from other posts, you do not follow the letter of the entire law just parts of it. But of the parts that you do follow, I am still not clear on whether you attempt to follow the letter of those laws, or if you attempt to follow those laws as the spirit leads and explains them to you. In which case you may actually end up violating the actual letter of the law.

I agree that we are not to judge one another regarding cotton and polyester blends. However, I'm not interested in trying to judge someone as Superior or inferior. Rather, I am asking for those who feel that there are a set of moral laws that can be separated out of the law of Moses, is the commandment about not mixing linen and wool one of those moral laws? And does it then apply to Cotton and polyester?

This is no different than simply asking someone if they keep a new Moon festival.

I don't follow how Romans 1 relates. That section seems to be about gentiles doing evil. it doesn't seem to be about the process of separating the moral laws from the ceremonial and civil laws in the law of Moses, that some nice folks feel they have the ability to do.

Well Dan, I don't propose to understand all of the 613 ordinances that God put forth. That is why we meditate on those. Applying the law spiritually, I ask myself why was this or that one was instigated originally. Mixing fabric I have not figured out yet. One ordinance was not to pull out some parts of the grain in the cereal crops. We now know that is healthier, not doing that. But I still use white flour occasionally and I don't think of it as sinful. The same as mixing fabric is not sinful. We do not have to keep the law.

I feel the Spirit guiding me to understand His reasons for the ordinances. Usually it is for our own good not just something to stumble at.

Everyone is super quick to dismiss the laws since we are saved by grace. But I find reference to the Commandments throughout the New Testament. Our traditions are the biggest obstacles to learning from the Holy Spirit. Paul says the law is good, just and holy (Rom. 7:12). That was enough for me, but I don't expect to be able to do it perfectly, thank God for grace.

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. Where do they go?

Hebrews 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: Jesus becomes our High Priest, our mediator
Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing The first one had an ending date.

Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience but a lamb of infinite value, that would give you confidance

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. These things not done with 2nd covenant so where do they go? But there are still heavenly things to consider, Spiritual
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
once again, where do they go? But there are still heavenly things to consider, Spiritual
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Things hard to say

I hope you understand, any fun or interest was taken away and I am left with the wisdom to no longer pursue this as I can not say anything without a big long qualifier with every post. Maybe a blog would be the answer where is it only about the specific laws and what they must have been for. I was warned this is not a place to feel safe and I will heed it. Good Luck with the others you are speaking with. I will read the banter I am sure and enjoy it.

2 Thessalonians 2
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 AND FOR THIS CAUSE "God" shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Such a tragedy it is! Yet? Not really! As they have reaped that which they have sown!
I must confess, that I have tried time and time again, in the persuading of them. And even prayed, if I was actually fighting against God, in my efforts of an "un-deluding" of these types. The answer I received was: "Well?" "You can try!"
Since then however, I find it much more beneficial, like some shepherd, in warning "well intended" sheeps/peeps, to not allow for these "wolves in sheeps clothing" in their dissuadings of their seeking, or pressing on to the "Higher Calling" OF God in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior!

2 Thessalonians 2
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 AND FOR THIS CAUSE "God" shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Such a tragedy it is! Yet? Not really! As they have reaped that which they have sown!
I must confess, that I have tried time and time again, in the persuading of them. And even prayed, if I was actually fighting against God, in my efforts of an "un-deluding" of these types. The answer I received was: "Well?" "You can try!"
Since then however, I find it much more beneficial, like some shepherd, in warning "well intended" sheeps/peeps, to not allow for these "wolves in sheeps clothing" in their dissuadings of their seeking, or pressing on to the "Higher Calling" OF God in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior!

Wow! Yeah, that hits it pretty squarely on the head



Excellent verse passage choice!

Well, yes, on the one hand there is the loss of the deceived and on the other there is the loss of those they deceive, but not to be too humanistic about it I consider them an offense against the Most High and His order!

It is a basic question isn't it? Nicely asked, but to answer it honestly requires a man be honest with himself.

It requires a man to surrender his heart to God for his inspection! Too many denials as he stands at the door and knocks and the Master relents. They are our hearts, He gives us the free will to resist His inspection. He is the only One who can reveal our hearts! We cannot know our own hearts AT ALL! For any man to bear witness to his own condition is nonsense. Only God and other eyes who are objective and wise can bear witness to the truth of our condition!

If you allow God to do this with/to you?
Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
By doing this?
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

You shall NEVER have to worry! Be, and remian on guard? Yes! Worry? No!
About "this!"
Isaiah 28
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. aka "Strong Delusion."

Cotton and polyester blends? PFFFFFFT!

ps.
Romans 1
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John (That would be the Law of Moses) since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.


Are you a Christ man? Doesn't matter your background, same exact life is being offered to WHOMSOEVER WILL.
Since that time the kingdom of GOD is preached. EVERYMAN presseth into it and not a dot of it is going to fail.

That casual loose kick back law of Moses is being replace by the KINGDOM OF GOD. Our Jesus is stepping up the game. The Pharisees had loosed up the law even more with Corbin. Jesus is going to set us straight on all that when He explains our new laws. Laws written on out in our hearts AND minds. "OH I didn't know" not going to fly. NO EXCUSES. There is a real deal coming. There is a judgement day coming. Once you have heard the truth, your choice to believe it or walk away. Sail your ship well. There is a right side and a deceptive side.