Not By Works

Well, then people is not explaining very well what they mean ... or my English is the worse one in the whole world and I am the only one here that doesn't know why so many threads talking about something related with salvation or what is this about.

He does not UNDERSTAND, his love is SEVERELY Lacking from the KIND of LOVE GOD IS TALKING ABOUT.

I have tried to explain BORN AGAIN to him, but he just ignores my posts. I am about to give up on him.

Ok.

Don't worry or panic.

Sorry if I have not understood who you are or what you are trying to convey.

What is your nationality?

Let's take it from there.

Anything you don't understand then please feel free to ask.

My name is Bill

We also have to be open to the fact we may be wrong.

Far to many of us has been spoonfed what to believe all our lives. Only to find out after God humbled us we were wrong for all those years..

Bill, that was sarcasm (on my last post). Hope yours too. Sorry about it.
My English can be the worse one in the whole world, but evidently when in a forum some people are posting and keeping some threads about not-loosing-salvation and works-don't-affect your salvation and all that ... even with my worse English I can see something is wrong in here about what is believed about being a real christian.

He said they were not usefull?

Where?

Please do not tell me your gonna be another one of those liars who slander people because they can not refute what they say? We have far to many of them in here.

I pray PRAY you are just confused as to what he was saying (we will see how you respond to him when he tells you he never made such a statement)

What bible do you use?

My bible says no one who practices sin has seen God or known him..

Huge difference!! We have to not paraphrase the word and make it say something it never said.

So he has to show you respect. But you can call him a liar and all other stuff.

The hypocrisy continues..

I sometimes wonder if we should not have a meeting with the powers to be, far to much of this stuff (do as I say not as I do) goes on in here.

What people do

EG, DC, TT all three have their particular ways of expressing things, very different, very
developed. If one follows this over the months, 5 months or there abouts, it is obvious
things at this level do not change much, the kinds of interactions, the positive and negative
observations. So as far as testimonies of the heart, they are probably a true reflection of
where one is and what in Christ ones insight has become.

So the idea of a false teacher does apply, because the stands and the arguments have not
shifted or the respect or otherwise to known people or strangers.

This is both a blessing, if we bring glory and a witness to Christ, or a serious problem if
we stand condemned of the denial of His love and His word.

So when we testify, we are testifying before our Lord, who is gracious and forgiving through
His son and the cross. So let us remember we answer to Him and no other, thank you Jesus.
What love that He would call us His and die to bring us home with Him Amen.

EG, use the Scriptures more often. I see so many people here talking and talking and talking ... most of the time about others ... I am praying than some people learn to use more the Scriptures to show they really have the spirit.

If your going to make a blanket accusation. You are required to prove that accusation when called upon to do so. Otherwise, your accusation is just that, An accusation, with no backing,,
We call that Hot Air.

Or you can just post people who say the things you have accused them of saying.. Or change your tone, and adnit, You have no proof. So it is just uyour opinion. Not based on fact.

So we have to mix works and grace, and paul was wrong?

Basically we are saved by GRACE PLUS works. Not Grace..through faith.

Sorry thats not what the bible teaches

It teaches those who truly repent, will have true faith, and as a result they will have true living works.. Works are not required. They are a BYPRoDUCT of true living faith, the ONLY faith which saves

Ok now I have got you.

EG, I am not interested on talking about people. I'd been trying to show that salvation and works are very interconected. There is not salvation without works and it is all around the Scriptures. FHS and Noose had being posting a lot of biblical passages that are very clear ... I show some myself before, but it looks like some want to see only one side and not the other.

Just like we can see something is wrong with people thinking they are saved by grace, but must perfect that salvation by works of the flesh.

And remember, Paul calls this thinking foolish (again, pauls words not mine)

So you can also see our concerns I hope.

Sadly, alot of people post a bunch of scripture. With no meanint, and no thought that the scripture does not say what it think they say, and they leave it at that.

You want to find out what people believe, ask them.. Don;t just assume you know. We get to much of that in here (the calvinist arminian infighting is the worse. if your osas you have to be Calvin, of your nosas you have to be arminian, which is not even close to the truth. But people can not get past that)

No different from those who say works save us and accuse others who disagree with that and then accuse them of using it as an excuse to sin.

Just like you do.

Can't believe I fell for that.

Paul told a lot about works. Some people see just what they want to see.

No one here is saying there is salvation without works.

ONCE you figure out this truth.

Prayerfully, the conversation will get much clearer and be more reasonable.

if you think people here ARE saying this. You are mistaken, and I would ask that you show who. So we all can see them