The Tabernacle in the Wilderness

I have no interest in the type of nonsense you seem to be posting

I have read your comments in the tongues thread and they are as ignorant and nasty as the day is long

you seem to have some kind of personal interpretation going on and I am not interested

Wansvics posts are ANYTHING but fine.

YOU are attacking others CONSTANTLY and your behavior is not the example you should be setting

you have a rather high opinion of yourself and I am NOT interested

now how's that. call it what you want..report it...I could care less

and by the way wansvic is a FEMALE

you are insulting her...now she will tell you are not because she thinks she is the be all and end all of knowing how people are saved around here

look around you. she is oneness Pentecostal...and that is not biblically sound

you have some nerve actually. correct yourself. you need to with the way you attack people and think you know more than anyone else

hope that was clear

go and learn some manners and study scripture before acting like some kind of superior being

John 15:3 - You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Ephesians 5:26 - that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.
1 Peter 1:23 - having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.

Why would I have positive feelings toward a denomination that perverts the gospel and holds to erroneous doctrines? I have no problem considering the points the Bible itself makes clear. Even Wikipedia can figure out - Besides their beliefs about the Godhead, Oneness Pentecostals differ significantly from most other Pentecostal and Evangelical Christians in matters of soteriology. Whereas most Pentecostals and evangelicals believe that only faith in Jesus Christ is the essential element for salvation, Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Many also tend to emphasize strict "holiness standards" in dress, grooming and other areas of personal conduct that are not necessarily shared by other Pentecostal groups, at least not to the degree that is generally found in some Oneness churches. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism

Jesus clearly meant what He said in Matthew 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." So once again, the phrase, "in the name of Jesus," is not a reference to a baptismal formula but a reference to authority. It's similar to hearing someone say, "stop in the name of the Law!" We understand that the "name of the Law" means by the authority of the Law. It's the same with baptism "in Jesus' name." To baptize in Jesus' name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. Reciting the specific words, "in Jesus name" during baptism is not a magical formula for salvation and believers who were baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit are not still lost in their sins because the specific words, "in Jesus name" were not recited during their baptism as Oneness Pentecostals erroneously teach.

Do you believe that ONLY those who were water baptized and the specific words, "in Jesus name" were used during their baptism will be saved? Do you also believe that those who were water baptized and the specific words, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" were used during their baptism will not be saved? I've heard other Oneness Pentecostals answer YES to both questions.

Christ is certainly not divided and if things got worse in Corinth there might well have been the church of Paul, the church of Apollos, the church of Cephas, as opposed to just the singular “Church of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:2)

Once again, the phrase is used in the Bible as an expression of authority. This is clarified elsewhere: Acts 4:17 - "But in order that it may not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to any man in this name. 18 And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus." Acts 5:40 - "And they took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them to speak no more in the name of Jesus, and then released them." Acts 8:12 - "But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike." Acts 9:27 - "But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus. 28 And he was with them moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord."

I'm not in denial about "in the name of Jesus" being a reference to authority. Why are you in such denial about the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19 stating what He clearly said: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

The enemy wants people to trust in anything else EXCEPT IN CHRIST ALONE for salvation. If the enemy can keep you trusting in baptism formulas, baptism itself, speaking in tongues, works in general etc.. INSTEAD OF TRUSTING IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION then his mission is accomplished. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Now John 20:31; Acts 10:43; Philippians 2:9 and Colossians 3:17 are all excellent scriptures and hold true! Yet believing/trusting in water baptism formulas, water baptism itself, speaking in tongues or works in general for salvation is not the cause of receiving salvation. That's not believing IN HIS NAME, but is believing in water baptism formulas, water baptism itself, speaking in tongues and works in general. John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.

Those who believe in Him/in His name are trusting exclusively in Jesus for salvation and not in works for salvation. (Ephesians 2:8,9) It's no accident that numerous false religions and cults teach salvation by works (with a heavy emphasis on water baptism) including Roman Catholicism and Mormonism.

Baptism was symbolic of the inner cleansing only. Water does not wash away sins, and that is not what Ananias was indicating.

This seems like a personal attack on Wansvic. I didnt hear him speak anything about oneness in his original post. Maybe you do not like him from previous posts? But this is pretty heavy attack ur firing at him. Along with others.

His post was fine. And the bible does teach that water baptism comes from God. It is not a man made command. And as far as oneness, that belief is erred but even if someone is in error we shouldnt attack them. You cant win anyone over by throwing stones. We should walk in love and the Spirit of truth will lead the person to see what is true apart from what is not. Youre only hurting your view point by attacking him. God wants us to win people over by love and His word.

His Word shows everything wansvic pointed out. Wansvic views on Holy Spirit and oneness is another thread possibly.

To God be all the glory. He points and gives the revelation I just start typing.
We serve an amazing God! May God continue to bless you as well.

I did not imply that you should feel one way or another about a denomination. My point was that your bias hinders you from looking at scripture, in this case water baptism, objectively.

It does not teach salvation comes at water baptism

And this person has attacked many,, so I suggest you think before you judge others and try to defend this person.

If you served god you would not mock him by tryign to replace his spiritual baptism with the baptisn performed by men..

If you served god ...

What I have shared consistently is that all are instructed to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and submit to water baptism. One does not replace the other. Both are necessary.

It is my desire to serve God each and every day. Sharing His word is done for one reason and one reason only; to help others. Sorry you are so offended.

What I have shared consistently is that all are instructed to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and submit to water baptism. One does not replace the other. Both are necessary.

I did not imply that you should feel one way or another about a denomination. My point was that your bias hinders you from looking at scripture, in this case water baptism, objectively.

Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

Why would I have positive feelings toward a denomination that perverts the gospel and holds to erroneous doctrines? I have no problem considering the points the Bible itself makes clear. Even Wikipedia can figure out - Besides their beliefs about the Godhead, Oneness Pentecostals differ significantly from most other Pentecostal and Evangelical Christians in matters of soteriology. Whereas most Pentecostals and evangelicals believe that only faith in Jesus Christ is the essential element for salvation, Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Many also tend to emphasize strict "holiness standards" in dress, grooming and other areas of personal conduct that are not necessarily shared by other Pentecostal groups, at least not to the degree that is generally found in some Oneness churches. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism

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The Revival Fellowship is not "Oneness" doctrine; far from it …
and yet what you quote above is the NT faith and doctrine of the first church and thus as we also uphold this we can rightly
claim to be Pentecostal Christians.
And yes if you do not speak in tongues you have not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Scripture is scripture.

Nonsense, what you have stated is not what the Bible states. Here, I'll give you one verse to prove what I'm saying. Ephesians 1:13, "In Him you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were "SEALED" in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise."

So, and just like Cornelius who listened to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation---(not getting water baptized for your salvation) he was sealed with the promise of the Holy Spirit. And what is the gospel?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, "Now I make known to you, bretheren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, IN WHICH ALSO YOU STAND, (it does not say we stand "ALSO" on water baptism). vs2, by which you are saved, (did you get that "by which you are saved) and get water baptized---NO) if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain (and got baptized in vain-NO)

Vs3, For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, vs4, and that He was buried, and that He was rasied on the third day." Vs5, And He said to get water baptized--NO). Again, water baptism is a command which you have a choice or getting water baptized (and you should) or you can't get water baptized does it mean the person ends up being lost for all eternity? Again wansvic, your not thinking this issue through to its logical conclusion.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You still have not answered my questions:

Do you believe that ONLY those who were water baptized and the specific words, "in Jesus name" were used during their baptism will be saved? - YES or NO.

Do you believe that those who were water baptized and the specific words, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" were used during their baptism will not be saved? - YES or NO.

Nonsense, what you have stated is not what the Bible states. Here, I'll give you one verse to prove what I'm saying