The Tabernacle in the Wilderness

First of all you need to apologize for saying, "You hate pentecostals." I "DO NOT" hat oneness pentecostals. This shows me how immature you are because you don't know the operation of one's mind. You also don't know what the cults teach. And yes, the oneness pentecostals are a big time cult just like the Moromons and Jw's. I also suggest you read the follwoing site I posted which is only one of hundreds trying to educate people about the cults before they are carried away by every wind of doctrine.

https://hewhohasearslethimhear.word...on-according-to-oneness-pentecostals-refuted/

Finally, you made this "asinine statement. "You guys are both arguing over irrelevancies," This whole issue is extremely relevant. Your in the big leagues now and not messing around with little kids that don't know what their talking about. In short, grow up, especially spiritually.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Actually Pentecostals DO NOT teach this false doctrine. So if you believe it, you should give it up.

There may be some Pentecostals who have gone off the deep end, but here is what Pentecostals (Assemblies of God) believe about Christian baptism, which is the belief of all conservative Christians:

The Ordinances of the Church
We believe that baptism in water by immersion is expected of all who have repented and believed. In so doing they declare to the world that they have died with Christ and been raised with Him to walk in newness of life (Matthew 28:19; Acts 10:47-48; Romans 6:4).

https://www.247ag.com/WAGF/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Application-Statement-of-Faith.pdf

So if it isnt pentecostals teaching this then its just bluto and eternally greatfully suggesting that pentecostals believe that.

I dont teach anything about works. Did i tell u, u need to be circumcised?
Did I teach you need to be at church service every service?
Did I say you have to tithe?
Did I say you must give to the poor, or help the orphans and widows?
Matter of fact I dont know what works I would even speak on because I dont have anything to do with works.

What works am I preaching?

You say im not your brother, so ill leave you alone. You have more to worry about than a stranger. God bless you.

awww. in the other thread you were so sweet. but here you are throwing out ad hominum attacks like they were party favors

you just lost all credibility with anyone who can read

so they are doing tag teams now?

wansvic and waggles team 1

and follow and tlc team 2

I hope they can stay out of each other's way

So if it isnt pentecostals teaching this then its just bluto and eternally greatfully suggesting that pentecostals believe that. Im not sure who believes what other than people dont like others on this site.

Not worth the effort. I rather read my bible.

so they are doing tag teams now?
wansvic and waggles team 1
and follow and tlc team 2
I hope they can stay out of each other's way

awww. in the other thread you were so sweet. but here you are throwing out ad hominum attacks like they were party favors

you just lost all credibility with anyone who can read

I am not here to be sweet. Evil behaviour deserves judgement.
This is God's principle of operation. It is embedded in all He shares and declares.

21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.
22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live.
Eze 18

24 "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.
Eze 18

22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
2 Tim 2

9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good
Rom 12

11 He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
1 Peter 3

27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you today;
28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.
Deut 11

God is brutal. Every day from Gods creation people die, in pain and suffering. Every day injustice prevails through
evil men who are allowed to follow evil ways at their own choosing. God limits what can be done, but free will
and the elect are worth enough to allow creation to continue before all hope is lost and the world drawn to its
conclusion.

Am still wondering what other's thoughts are regarding comments made in relation to Acts 10:44-48:

Acts 10:47 - Peter questioned other Jews present: "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" Why question if it was ok to water baptize someone if water baptism is nothing more than a public display? God's designed water baptism is much more than a public display, it is a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins and is one's act of obedience that opens the door to eternal life. (Mark 1:4) We see this truth again in Peter's conversation with Jewish leaders:

Acts 11:16-18 - After the events noted in Acts 10:44-48, Peter explains to the Jewish leaders that he was not going to withstand God after seeing that God filled them with His Holy Spirit the same way He had them on the Day of Pentecost. What did Peter do in order not to withstand God? He administered water baptism to the Gentiles in the name of the Lord.

Notice the statement made by the Jewish leaders after Peter said he water baptized the group in order not to withstand God: "When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18

Am still wondering what other's thoughts are regarding comments made in relation to Acts 10:44-48:

Acts 10:47 - Peter questioned other Jews present: "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" Why question if it was ok to water baptize someone if water baptism is nothing more than a public display? God's designed water baptism is much more than a public display, it is a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins and is one's act of obedience that opens the door to eternal life. (Mark 1:4) We see this truth again in Peter's conversation with Jewish leaders:

Acts 11:16-18 - After the events noted in Acts 10:44-48, Peter explains to the Jewish leaders that he was not going to withstand God after seeing that God filled them with His Holy Spirit the same way He had them on the Day of Pentecost. What did Peter do in order not to withstand God? He administered water baptism to the Gentiles in the name of the Lord.

Notice the statement made by the Jewish leaders after Peter said he water baptized the group in order not to withstand God: "When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18

Actually wansvic what Peter said "militates" against the position that your church teaches. Acts 11:16, "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He use to say, "John baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the HOLY SPIRIT." Vs17, "If God therefore gave to them the same gift (singular wansvic) as He gave to us also AFTER BELIEVING IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, who was I to stand in God's way?"

Peter is saying he will not stand in God's way for giving the (singular) gift of the Holy Spirit. And vs18, "And when they hear this, they quieted down, and glorified God, saying, Well then, God has branted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life." In other words, you repent first and then you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Notice to that speaking in tongues (as your church teaches) is not mentioned as it relates to salvation and neither does water baptism.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Peter is saying he will not stand in God's way for giving the (singular) gift of the Holy Spirit.

why didn't Paul baptize when he preached the gospel if baptism must be included or not salvation as is being taught by some?

according to what I am reading in this thread from wansvic and a few others, no one was saved under Paul's teaching if they were not baptized first

Acts 10: 44-48, we have the story of Cornelius and others who were brought to Christ through Peter's message. They were saved BEFORE being baptized. this has been brought up mulitple times but we still have wansvic saying no one has answered her.

the truth is that NO ONE IN SCRIPTURE WAS EVER BAPTIZED UNTIL AFTER THEY WERE SAVED.

baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine and has been refuted and shown to be wrong and those who teach this heresy, have been blinded and continue to insist that baptism is a part of salvation to the detriment of their own salvation