Seventh Day Adventists teach that Jesus is Michael the archangel
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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil and disputing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee!”
Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.
If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.
If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
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So kneemailer do you agree with what these people posted, that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel? I am also so glad you posted Malachi 3:1 because it is one of my favorite verses and the verse is loaded with information.
And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is referring to John the Baptist, there is no doubt about it. And the second "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant is none other that the pre-incarnated Jesus Christ. Now, the word "malak" does mean "angel or messenger, it all depends on how it is used in "CONTEXT." In fact the writer here "Malachi" who obviously is a human being, well his name is from the word "malak" which means he is a messenger.
Now, I see you quoted various people who believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel. It does not mean that they are right. I can post others who say Jesus Christ is not Michael the arc angel. Just because there are some commonalities with Jesus and Michael like "There are both princes," or Mikha'el has a name that means "who is like God."
Now, there is a legal concept that the Jews employ known as a "Shaliach." Or the law of "AGENCY" where an agent or ambassader or messenger acts on behalf of another, or of a "principal." For instance, angels often speak for God just like the angel of the covenant does at Genesis 22.
If you read the chapter you will no doubt discover that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his only Son Isaac. (Btw, Isaac was not Abrahams only son). Anyway, Genesis 22:15, "But the angel of the Lord called to him/Abraham! And he said, Here I am." Vs12, "And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son."
Now for vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because (or why) you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies." Vs18, And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because you have OBEYED MY VOICE." This is part one of this post.
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is referring to John the Baptist, there is no doubt about it. And the second "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant is none other that the pre-incarnated Jesus Christ. Now, the word "malak" does mean "angel or messenger, it all depends on how it is used in "CONTEXT." In fact the writer here "Malachi" who obviously is a human being, well his name is from the word "malak" which means he is a messenger.
Now, I see you quoted various people who believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel. It does not mean that they are right. I can post others who say Jesus Christ is not Michael the arc angel. Just because there are some commonalities with Jesus and Michael like "There are both princes," or Mikha'el has a name that means "who is like God."
Now, there is a legal concept that the Jews employ known as a "Shaliach." Or the law of "AGENCY" where an agent or ambassader or messenger acts on behalf of another, or of a "principal." For instance, angels often speak for God just like the angel of the covenant does at Genesis 22.
If you read the chapter you will no doubt discover that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his only Son Isaac. (Btw, Isaac was not Abrahams only son). Anyway, Genesis 22:15, "But the angel of the Lord called to him/Abraham! And he said, Here I am." Vs12, "And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son."
Now for vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because (or why) you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies." Vs18, And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because you have OBEYED MY VOICE." This is part one of this post.
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
So kneemailer do you agree with what these people posted, that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel? I am also so glad you posted Malachi 3:1 because it is one of my favorite verses and the verse is loaded with information.
And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is referring to John the Baptist, there is no doubt about it. And the second "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant is none other that the pre-incarnated Jesus Christ. Now, the word "malak" does mean "angel or messenger, it all depends on how it is used in "CONTEXT." In fact the writer here "Malachi" who obviously is a human being, well his name is from the word "malak" which means he is a messenger.
Now, I see you quoted various people who believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel. It does not mean that they are right. I can post others who say Jesus Christ is not Michael the arc angel. Just because there are some commonalities with Jesus and Michael like "There are both princes," or Mikha'el has a name that means "who is like God."
Now, there is a legal concept that the Jews employ known as a "Shaliach." Or the law of "AGENCY" where an agent or ambassader or messenger acts on behalf of another, or of a "principal." For instance, angels often speak for God just like the angel of the covenant does at Genesis 22.
If you read the chapter you will no doubt discover that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his only Son Isaac. (Btw, Isaac was not Abrahams only son). Anyway, Genesis 22:15, "But the angel of the Lord called to him/Abraham! And he said, Here I am." Vs12, "And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son."
Now for vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because (or why) you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies." Vs18, And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because you have OBEYED MY VOICE." This is part one of this post.
The following is part two.
So what is the point of all of this kneemailer? The point is the fact that an angel like Michael CANNOT SWEAR An OATH ON BEHALF OF GOD HIMSELF. This is how I know that Michael is not Jesus Christ. And here is what the writer of Hebrews stated at Hebrews 6:13-14, "For when God made the promise to Abraham, SINCE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO ONE GREATER, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF, vs14, saying, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply you."
This is as straighforwad as can be and right out of the Bible itself. I did not give my opinion or any commentary, that's what it says. Moreover, according to the Jewish Virutal Library there are certain things that a "shaliach" cannot do, one of them is swearing an oath on behalf of another.
If you witnessed a crime being committed and it goes to trial you would have to be the one to testify, you can't send somebody like your Uncle Harry to testify in your place. Even if you were in the hospital and could not attend the trial the court would send someone out to you and you will be "deposed." Now, there is one more aspect of this and that is the fact that swearing an oath is a matter of one's conscience. Now, I welcome all questions and your welcome to try and poke holes in this presentation.
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is referring to John the Baptist, there is no doubt about it. And the second "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant is none other that the pre-incarnated Jesus Christ. Now, the word "malak" does mean "angel or messenger, it all depends on how it is used in "CONTEXT." In fact the writer here "Malachi" who obviously is a human being, well his name is from the word "malak" which means he is a messenger.
Now, I see you quoted various people who believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel. It does not mean that they are right. I can post others who say Jesus Christ is not Michael the arc angel. Just because there are some commonalities with Jesus and Michael like "There are both princes," or Mikha'el has a name that means "who is like God."
Now, there is a legal concept that the Jews employ known as a "Shaliach." Or the law of "AGENCY" where an agent or ambassader or messenger acts on behalf of another, or of a "principal." For instance, angels often speak for God just like the angel of the covenant does at Genesis 22.
If you read the chapter you will no doubt discover that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his only Son Isaac. (Btw, Isaac was not Abrahams only son). Anyway, Genesis 22:15, "But the angel of the Lord called to him/Abraham! And he said, Here I am." Vs12, "And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son."
Now for vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because (or why) you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies." Vs18, And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because you have OBEYED MY VOICE." This is part one of this post.
The following is part two.
So what is the point of all of this kneemailer? The point is the fact that an angel like Michael CANNOT SWEAR An OATH ON BEHALF OF GOD HIMSELF. This is how I know that Michael is not Jesus Christ. And here is what the writer of Hebrews stated at Hebrews 6:13-14, "For when God made the promise to Abraham, SINCE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO ONE GREATER, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF, vs14, saying, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply you."
This is as straighforwad as can be and right out of the Bible itself. I did not give my opinion or any commentary, that's what it says. Moreover, according to the Jewish Virutal Library there are certain things that a "shaliach" cannot do, one of them is swearing an oath on behalf of another.
If you witnessed a crime being committed and it goes to trial you would have to be the one to testify, you can't send somebody like your Uncle Harry to testify in your place. Even if you were in the hospital and could not attend the trial the court would send someone out to you and you will be "deposed." Now, there is one more aspect of this and that is the fact that swearing an oath is a matter of one's conscience. Now, I welcome all questions and your welcome to try and poke holes in this presentation.
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
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