Oklahoma wins Opioid lawsuit.

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calibob

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Johnson & Johnson was ordered to pay $572 million to the state of Oklahoma on Monday, after a judge found that the company deceptively marketed opioids and bore some responsibility for the state’s opioid crisis. The case is one of hundreds of opioid-related lawsuits ongoing around the country, and as the first one to reach a verdict, the decision is likely to reverberate beyond Oklahoma.

“You can argue that there are problems with the decision. You can argue that it’s a lot less than the $17 billion [Oklahoma] asked for. But you can’t take away the fact that we now have a decision, decided by a United States court, in which a large amount of damages were given,†says Nicolas Terry, executive director of the Hall Center for Law and Health at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law.

Two other pharmaceutical companies, Purdue Pharma and Teva, were initially defendants in the same Oklahoma suit, but settled separately rather than go to trial.

This week it was reported that Purdue Pharma offered to pay $10 billion to $12 billion to settle all of its pending state and federal opioid lawsuits. The Sackler family, which owns Purdue Pharma, said that they would contribute $3 billion and give up ownership of the company. The company would also declare bankruptcy. Terry says he does not think the Oklahoma decision triggered that proposed resolution, and that Purdue had probably been having those conversations for some time. Their decision to settle, though, compared with Johnson & Johnson's push towards trial, reflects the differences in the size of the companies and the company cultures, he says.
 

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The real criminals here in all of this …
are the politicians of your Congress and Senate who over the decades in collusion with big business
exported all of your manufacturing jobs and destroyed the economies of "middle America."
Unemployment, poverty and lack of hope has fuelled this opioid addiction and social malaise.

It is the price that other people have to pay for the economic wealth gains of certain elites.
 

calibob

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The real criminals here in all of this …
are the politicians of your Congress and Senate who over the decades in collusion with big business
exported all of your manufacturing jobs and destroyed the economies of "middle America."
Unemployment, poverty and lack of hope has fuelled this opioid addiction and social malaise.

It is the price that other people have to pay for the economic wealth gains of certain elites.
Exactly!
 

calibob

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The real criminals here in all of this …
are the politicians of your Congress and Senate who over the decades in collusion with big business
exported all of your manufacturing jobs and destroyed the economies of "middle America."
Unemployment, poverty and lack of hope has fuelled this opioid addiction and social malaise.

It is the price that other people have to pay for the economic wealth gains of certain elites.
Forget trickle down economics lets call a snake a snake. It's trickle down corruption!
 

p_rehbein

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Not for nothing, but because of this opioid epidemic scare (which is really illegal use of opioids, majority of which is heroin, that's epidemic), I and many other people suffering from chronic, crippling, debilitating pain 24/7/365 are being/have been sentenced to a lifetime thus.

The CDC itself acknowledges that of those prescribed opioids by their Primary Care Doctor "as many as 1 in 4" struggle with addiction.....

MEANING

3 of 4 DO NOT struggle with addiction to the opioid medication they have been properly prescribed, YET, they are now forced to settle for a far less effective medication to give them some kind of relief from their suffering...…..

This opioid thing is a LEGAL issue, NOT a Medical issue.....because Congress, and our various Law Enforcement Agencies have so shamefully failed in their duties to enforce the Laws concerning the illegal use of drugs, prescription or otherwise.

The CDC statement I am referring to is a Poster they published and it hangs on the walls of VA Clinics/Hospitals:

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calibob

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Not for nothing, but because of this opioid epidemic scare (which is really illegal use of opioids, majority of which is heroin, that's epidemic), I and many other people suffering from chronic, crippling, debilitating pain 24/7/365 are being/have been sentenced to a lifetime thus.

The CDC itself acknowledges that of those prescribed opioids by their Primary Care Doctor "as many as 1 in 4" struggle with addiction.....

MEANING

3 of 4 DO NOT struggle with addiction to the opioid medication they have been properly prescribed, YET, they are now forced to settle for a far less effective medication to give them some kind of relief from their suffering...…..

This opioid thing is a LEGAL issue, NOT a Medical issue.....because Congress, and our various Law Enforcement Agencies have so shamefully failed in their duties to enforce the Laws concerning the illegal use of drugs, prescription or otherwise.

The CDC statement I am referring to is a Poster they published and it hangs on the walls of VA Clinics/Hospitals:

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I'm not in disagreement with you very much. Medication is often needed to counter lifetime medical needs including pain management which is what opioids are here to treat. The doctors have no way of knowing who will develop an extraordinary tolerance to the meds that they prescribe which is the first sign of addiction. Making medications unavailable after the process has started seem like spraying water on a phosphorus fire. It just gets worse.

It seems to me if doctors were required to spend as much time studying addiction as algebra and the pharmaceutical companies took responsibility and some profit to treat addiction and lifelong pain management strategies. We might have a more comprehensive treatment planning abilities.
 
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Johnson & Johnson was ordered to pay $572 million to the state of Oklahoma on Monday, after a judge found that the company deceptively marketed opioids and bore some responsibility for the state’s opioid crisis. The case is one of hundreds of opioid-related lawsuits ongoing around the country, and as the first one to reach a verdict, the decision is likely to reverberate beyond Oklahoma.

“You can argue that there are problems with the decision. You can argue that it’s a lot less than the $17 billion [Oklahoma] asked for. But you can’t take away the fact that we now have a decision, decided by a United States court, in which a large amount of damages were given,†says Nicolas Terry, executive director of the Hall Center for Law and Health at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law.

Two other pharmaceutical companies, Purdue Pharma and Teva, were initially defendants in the same Oklahoma suit, but settled separately rather than go to trial.

This week it was reported that Purdue Pharma offered to pay $10 billion to $12 billion to settle all of its pending state and federal opioid lawsuits. The Sackler family, which owns Purdue Pharma, said that they would contribute $3 billion and give up ownership of the company. The company would also declare bankruptcy. Terry says he does not think the Oklahoma decision triggered that proposed resolution, and that Purdue had probably been having those conversations for some time. Their decision to settle, though, compared with Johnson & Johnson's push towards trial, reflects the differences in the size of the companies and the company cultures, he says.
You do realize who will pay for this don't you?

The makers of the drugs are not the only ones at fault.
The doctors that over prescribe and the people that abuse also need to accept their part.
 

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The makers of the drugs are not the only ones at fault.
The doctors that over prescribe and the people that abuse also need to accept their part.
But that is not how litigation and politics works.
It is all about victims ... and entitlements to compensation.
 

p_rehbein

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I'm not in disagreement with you very much. Medication is often needed to counter lifetime medical needs including pain management which is what opioids are here to treat. The doctors have no way of knowing who will develop an extraordinary tolerance to the meds that they prescribe which is the first sign of addiction. Making medications unavailable after the process has started seem like spraying water on a phosphorus fire. It just gets worse.

It seems to me if doctors were required to spend as much time studying addiction as algebra and the pharmaceutical companies took responsibility and some profit to treat addiction and lifelong pain management strategies. We might have a more comprehensive treatment planning abilities.
Sadly, you are speaking of the "perfect world" scenario. In the real world, there are millions of people who are in constant debilitating pain, and because of the illegal actions of others, they are sentenced to live their lives this way.

Big Pharm is surely to blame for some of the crisis, and the Doctors who use opioid meds to enhance their bank accounts as well. But, again, what is happening is a Legal issue, not a Medical issue.

Truth told, neither, the Government (at all levels), the Medical Profession, or the Law Enforcement Agencies are willing to take on the task of eliminating the illegal Distribution, Sale, and Possession of opioid drugs.
Yes, there are Laws on the Books, but they are sorrowfully enforced. Much easier to take away ALL opioids, than to identify and apprehend those who are engaged in the illegal distribution, sale and use of opioids.

As with most other Social Issues, our Government sorely lacks the courage to do the right thing.

There are several Members here who are in the same position I am, and I know they suffer greatly without proper Medication to relieve their pain.