Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Grandpa

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There is no more curse, is there? Jesus hanging on the cross to away the curse so anyone who says anyone is under the curse is once again denying Christ aren't they?
The curse is only removed for those who are in Christ.

For unbelievers, and those who deny Christ, the law and its curse is still there to bring them to Christ and their blessing.
 
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It is supposed to be simple.

1 Timothy 1:5-7
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
Perhaps you think I am talking about Fables and geneologies but I speak of simple surrender to the Holy Spirit who teaches "all truth" Not that is a good deal of information.

Paul speaks of "all scripture" Don't you think that's a lot of info too?

Do you? Or do you think doctrine, reproving, correction, and instruction in righteousness is overcomplicating things?

If so, what exactly do you prefer to do in your walk? Isn't it important to grow?

SG
 
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Let me try this again, i screwed yo formatting

Jesus followed the law perfectly to show us how it was done. We couldn't do it because the "spirit" was missing. It isn't anymore.
No he did it because that is who he is, and also did it so he could be our sacrifice.

We couldn't do it because the "spirit" was missing. It isn't anymore.
What I don't understand is why the Law of the Kingdom, the one Jesus left us, that brings us forgiveness, the law that does what the law of Moses couldn't, isn't the law that is promoted whenever possible. Why bring up "must follow all if follow one" when that is no longer valid seeing through the blood of infinite value that was shed for us brings us forgiveness?? That is like saying sin can not be forgiven. Every time the law of given Moses is put forth as binding to us is like saying the work of Jesus didn't do what it was supposed to do.
We no longer need to be perfect under the law. Jesus shed His blood and gave us forgiveness. Why is it, if the law of Moses would have worked, had the people had the "spirit" within them to follow it, if people have been given the spirit now, A GIFT FROM GOD, is the law being put forth as "bad", STILL, when the law is was and always will be glorious and good, and it is "sin" that is bad? I don't understand this willingness to constantly promote ALL THE BAD PARTS OF the law of Moses, ABOVE the law OF GRACE, that took away ALL THAT WAS CONTRARY TO US OF THAT LAW.

There is no more curse, is there? Jesus hanging on the cross to away the curse so anyone who says anyone is under the curse is once again denying Christ aren't they?
Your right there is no more curse

But the law still bring that curse, that was its intended purpose, how else would we know we needed salvation

Its like saying the law which proves my guilt and shows my need for salvation and the means of salvation (sacrifice of an unspotted or perfect lamb) can somehow show me how to live my life. How? All it can do at beat is continue to show me how i fail, or i have to water it down to make it appear i am following it (what the jews did)

Neither case is profitable for any child of god
 

Grandpa

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Quote from Grandpa to my question of which law he was referring to.

They are both the same. To you.


How very rude, yet once again. How very wrong you are, again and again and again, on purpose, for certain. Not really the spirit one should expect from a person calling themselves a "Christian" is it? It is the spirit expected from your posts though, I have come to find.
You wish to promote a law that was replaced by the dying of our Lord, above the law He died to bring us. You wish to keep all those you encounter under the law that has no way to forgive, knowing Jesus brought us forgiveness. Repent and receive forgivness, the message of our Lord and Saviour. Worst of all it would seem, you do it all for the sake of your personal side of an "argument and debate". There can be not doubt as to what your goals are and they are not forwarding the truth of the Word. You must be one that thinks that things will go on as they always have.
Its not rude to show the Truth. I suppose it feels rude to you because you are probably not used to it.

I don't care even a little about who seems to be winning some debate. I only care about the Truth.


And the Truth is you don't know the difference between the law of Moses and the Law of the Kingdom. You think you do. But really, to you, they are the same law, you just call them different names.

And why do you do this? For the same reason you just accused me. "You wish to keep all those you encounter under the law that has no way to forgive, knowing Jesus brought us forgiveness".

Your words are very telling. Did you know that?
 

Grandpa

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Perhaps you think I am talking about Fables and geneologies but I speak of simple surrender to the Holy Spirit who teaches "all truth" Not that is a good deal of information.

Paul speaks of "all scripture" Don't you think that's a lot of info too?

Do you? Or do you think doctrine, reproving, correction, and instruction in righteousness is overcomplicating things?

If so, what exactly do you prefer to do in your walk? Isn't it important to grow?

SG
In your circular reasoning this always means to go back to the law.

But that's not what is meant. What is meant is that scripture should be bringing you to Christ. And if it hasn't done that reproving, correction and instruction in righteousness is desperately needed.

Until you have achieved the goal of the commandments, which is love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and real faith then you have NO business attempting to teach others how it is achieved by working at the law!!

You have become a vain jangler, understanding neither what you say nor what you affirm. How do we know this? Because working at the Law is not the way these are achieved!!!!

This is the way its achieved;
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
 
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Luk 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
I did not ask this

I asked if jesus fulfilled the law

The fact he has not yet fulfilled all prophesy is not in question.
 
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In your circular reasoning this always means to go back to the law.

But that's not what is meant. What is meant is that scripture should be bringing you to Christ. And if it hasn't done that reproving, correction and instruction in righteousness is desperately needed.

Until you have achieved the goal of the commandments, which is love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and real faith then you have NO business attempting to teach others how it is achieved by working at the law!!

You have become a vain jangler, understanding neither what you say nor what you affirm. How do we know this? Because working at the Law is not the way these are achieved!!!!

This is the way its achieved;
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
The link that opens fellowship between man and the Father is Righteousness. Disobedience breaks that link every time. Yahshua came to redeem us from being lost to sin and rebellion to Gods commands. He gave those who the Heavenly Father brought to Him in repentance imputed righteousness so that we might finally receive the Holy Spirit that would give us a new heart of love for God's commands that we might finally walk in Righteousness. You confess unrighteousness in your life to us, but do you repent/turn away from your rebellion to the Law so that you might regain fellowship with Yahshua and the Father? That is the only way to fellowship;

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Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


If you sin after receiving your Justification from Christ you again must repent! No man has a free lifetime do any sin and you are forgiven card. Daily, Daily you must repent and turn from your rebellion! To think otherwise is death/separation from Yahshua and The Father.

Yahshua prophecies about "that day" when "many" will come to Him and declare their service to Him and He says "I never knew you" Why? LAWLESSNESS! Snap out of it before it's too late. Your arrogance and pride in refusing service to obedience through the Gift of the Holy Spirit will result in your being removed from Him!!

(Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How many times will you read this and still not hear it?
 
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Is this not what Jesus fulfilled in the Law and the Prophets etc?
Jesus has not yet fulfilled all the prophets. He still has more to do (a partial fulfillment in his first advent)

Did he fulfill the law?
 
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The link that opens fellowship between man and the Father is Righteousness. Disobedience breaks that link every time. Yahshua came to redeem us from being lost to sin and rebellion to Gods commands. He gave those who the Heavenly Father brought to Him in repentance imputed righteousness so that we might finally receive the Holy Spirit that would give us a new heart of love for God's commands that we might finally walk in Righteousness. You confess unrighteousness in your life to us, but do you repent/turn away from your rebellion to the Law so that you might regain fellowship with Yahshua and the Father? That is the only way to fellowship;

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Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


If you sin after receiving your Justification from Christ you again must repent! No man has a free lifetime do any sin and you are forgiven card. Daily, Daily you must repent and turn from your rebellion! To think otherwise is death/separation from Yahshua and The Father.

Yahshua prophecies about "that day" when "many" will come to Him and declare their service to Him and He says "I never knew you" Why? LAWLESSNESS! Snap out of it before it's too late. Your arrogance and pride in refusing service to obedience through the Gift of the Holy Spirit will result in your being removed from Him!!

(Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How many times will you read this and still not hear it?
Cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey

How many times do you have to see others post this to you before you really really believe it?
 
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Your interpretation of that verse will destroy you if you do not repent of it soon.

SG
There is only one interpretation

If i do not obey every word, i am cursed


I believe it, i follow it, and it is why i came to christ because i acknowledge i can. It do what is required to save myself (obey the law)

Your the one who needs to interpret that verse as written, or you will remain in slavery
 
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He did up to his first advent as our redeemer!
Yes, and i stated such in the post you responded to.

But i am asking about the law, and for the unpteenth time not the prophets

Here you go again dodging the question,

Once again

Did jesus fulfill the law? Or is he still have some work to do which is not done yet to fulfill the law?
 

DeighAnn

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Jesus had to bring us a new law because there were things the old law, as glorious as it was, could not do.

What is one of the things the law could not do?

Though the law could point out sin, yet the law could not produce "forgiveness" for the sins it pointed out. JESUS fulfilled the law by bringing "FORGIVENESS" upon repentance. He gave a new law with that added to it, so what the old law could not do the new law does. FULFILLING IT, making it perfect.

Transgression of the law, sin, brought about death with no mercy. JESUS took "death" out, and brought to us life, He defeated death. And through repentance once again, He FULFILLs what the old law itself could not do without him.

We have a duty to do what is right before God. The law gives us our requirements beyond faith, the distinction between right and wrong. How is one to know good from evil without a law to tell us what God considers right? How are we to teach if we have no law? How are we to teach the holiness of God without them.

We were bound to sin by the old law. Jesus set us free of it. Where once sin was a heavy burden to be carried, we now can be relieved of it without all the ceremony, and sacrifice of animals and priests doing their duties, we now can go straight past all that to repentance and be washed clean through His blood. His yoke is light.
 

Grandpa

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The link that opens fellowship between man and the Father is Righteousness. Disobedience breaks that link every time. Yahshua came to redeem us from being lost to sin and rebellion to Gods commands. He gave those who the Heavenly Father brought to Him in repentance imputed righteousness so that we might finally receive the Holy Spirit that would give us a new heart of love for God's commands that we might finally walk in Righteousness. You confess unrighteousness in your life to us, but do you repent/turn away from your rebellion to the Law so that you might regain fellowship with Yahshua and the Father? That is the only way to fellowship;

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Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


If you sin after receiving your Justification from Christ you again must repent! No man has a free lifetime do any sin and you are forgiven card. Daily, Daily you must repent and turn from your rebellion! To think otherwise is death/separation from Yahshua and The Father.

Yahshua prophecies about "that day" when "many" will come to Him and declare their service to Him and He says "I never knew you" Why? LAWLESSNESS! Snap out of it before it's too late. Your arrogance and pride in refusing service to obedience through the Gift of the Holy Spirit will result in your being removed from Him!!

(Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How many times will you read this and still not hear it?
You seem to assume that it is by your obedience to the law that makes you righteous and thus that is what causes you to have fellowship with the Father.

But that is far, far from the Truth. You have no obedience to the law first of all. And you have no righteousness through it.

Your only hope, as well as all of us, is the Lord Jesus Christ. In whom Salvation and Righteousness flow.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


Who is the Lord going to say depart from me, I never knew you to? To those who have come to Him and received Rest from their work at the law?

Or those who continue their work at the law thinking that is what gives them Righteousness and Sanctification and Fellowship with God?


Are those who abide in Christ, and not working at the law, lawless?
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Nope.

Are those who have faith in Christ but are not working at the law, lawless?
Romans 9:30 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Can't be if they are righteous.

But here is maybe something you just aren't understanding;
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Righteousness doesn't come by the law. It comes by faith in Christ.

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Righteousness doesn't come by the law. It comes by faith in Christ.

People keep stumbling over that stone that the builders rejected. Even though they are told that the stone they rejected has become the headstone of the corner (the very strong support and foundation)
 

Grandpa

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Your interpretation of that verse will destroy you if you do not repent of it soon.

SG
It looks like he did repent of it.

He came to Christ and now he is under grace and not law.


Can't repent any more than that. I wonder when you will repent of it?
 

DeighAnn

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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In the world today
we have those who teach there are no more commandments to follow, and teach other men they can't do it perfectly so don't even try, and because Jesus followed them perfectly, they don't have to,
OR
we have those who teach there ARE commandments and to follow them and teach other men to follow them, and though we may not follow them perfectly, we now can receive forgiveness for our transgressions upon repentance, and continue forward doing the best we can, having been washed clean.
 
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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
In the world today
we have those who teach there are no more commandments to follow, and teach other men they can't do it perfectly so don't even try, and because Jesus followed them perfectly, they don't have to,
OR
we have those who teach there ARE commandments and to follow them and teach other men to follow them, and though we may not follow them perfectly, we now can receive forgiveness for our transgressions upon repentance, and continue forward doing the best we can, having been washed clean.
Who are these people, can you name them?