Surprised?

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Kojikun

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I've been looking online recently for Jesus and the centurion. The one he was amazed at. It's odd to me that Jesus would be surprised. I assume it was his human self that was surprised when he saw the man's heart? There are times in scripture where Jesus seems to not specifically know but most of the time he does. I'm trying to make sense of this to some extent and I'm thinking it's the fact he was in flesh. It still seems odd to me though. Any thoughts?
 

maxwel

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Let's look at the passage:

ESV
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, "Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.

Surprised:

This word doesn't necessarily mean surprised.
It can mean admiration or wonder.
So we aren't CERTAIN that Jesus "marveled" in the sense that he was confronted with new information.

(You might know that your spouse loves you, but you still marvel and wonder at this. It doesn't necessarily mean you're surprised, it just means it's a wonderful thing that you reflect on, and appreciate.)

So, I'm not sure we can be certain that this event with the centurion means Jesus was necessarily surprised with some new information.
I'm not sure if that is clear.

Dual Nature of Christ:

But even if he DID marvel in the sense that he was confronted with new information,
this would be perfectly consistent with the dual nature of Christ.

Christ, in the human incarnation, did NOT know everything at all times.
Some of his divine attributes were intentionally veiled, and hidden from himself.

So even if he was genuinely surprised by something, that would be consistent with his dual nature.

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Kojikun

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#3
Let's look at the passage:

ESV
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, "Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.

Surprised:

This word doesn't necessarily mean surprised.
It can mean admiration or wonder.
So we aren't CERTAIN that Jesus "marveled" in the sense that he was confronted with new information.

(You might know that your spouse loves you, but you still marvel and wonder at this. It doesn't necessarily mean you're surprised, it just means it's a wonderful thing that you reflect on, and appreciate.)

So, I'm not sure we can be certain that this event with the centurion means Jesus was necessarily surprised with some new information.
I'm not sure if that is clear.

Dual Nature of Christ:

But even if he DID marvel in the sense that he was confronted with new information,
this would be perfectly consistent with the dual nature of Christ.

Christ, in the human incarnation, did NOT know everything at all times.
Some of his divine attributes were intentionally veiled, and hidden from himself.

So even if he was genuinely surprised by something, that would be consistent with his dual nature.

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The dual nature part I agree with as well as the rest. I heard a similar explanation with Gods "surprise" in the Garden of Eden. Honestly it's like politics you know it's going to happen but you still baffled that it did.
 

maxwel

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The dual nature part I agree with as well as the rest. I heard a similar explanation with Gods "surprise" in the Garden of Eden. Honestly it's like politics you know it's going to happen but you still baffled that it did.
It is within the realm of possibility that Christ, in his human form, and with his human nature, could have been surprised by something.
That is possible.

But when we're speaking of God only in regard to his eternal and divine nature, such as we see in the garden of Eden, it is NOT possible for Him to have been surprised by anything.
When the divine creator, speaking from his divinity, says he is surprised by something, that is always a type of anthropomorphism.
He is merely using "human expressions" of language that we can more easily understand and relate to.
This occurs all the time in the Old Testament.

God bridges the communication gap for us, and often speaks to us in human terms, so that we can understand him.

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Lynx

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Bible doesn't say Jesus was surprised. It said he marveled at it. I can marvel at a lot of things I consider exceptional without being surprised at them.
 

G00WZ

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My opinion on this is that He marveled because the centurion made a new rule to what Christ could do according to his own faith in Him. Normally when Jesus would heal someone He would have to go in person and heal them 100% with just His own faith alone, but instead the centurion said that all he had to do was just say the word and his servant shall be healed. He acted on his own faith in Christ and that is what caused him to marvel. It was the same thing with the woman with the issue of blood when she touched him believing that she would be healed, scripture says that Christ felt power/ virtue come out of Him, and when it happened He turned around and said " who touched me?".... After she confessed that she did Christ said to her " Your faith has made you whole".
I believe that acts in faith in Christ cause Him to marvel.
 
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Kim82

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It is within the realm of possibility that Christ, in his human form, and with his human nature, could have been surprised by something.
That is possible.

But when we're speaking of God only in regard to his eternal and divine nature, such as we see in the garden of Eden, it is NOT possible for Him to have been surprised by anything.
When the divine creator, speaking from his divinity, says he is surprised by something, that is always a type of anthropomorphism.
He is merely using "human expressions" of language that we can more easily understand and relate to.
This occurs all the time in the Old Testament.

God bridges the communication gap for us, and often speaks to us in human terms, so that we can understand him.

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What was meant by God when He said He repent of making Saul king? 1Sam 15:11

And in another scripture God says He is not a man that He should repent. Num 23:29